Protein? Vegeterian diet may not be good for cyclist?

I have been doing a bit of quick research using google, and I am thinking
from my early reading that a vegetarian diet may not be the best diet in the
world for a person who rides any thing more than a couple of miles at a
time.
The first thing I found was this page http://www.cptips.com/protein.htm
which seems to state that an average cyclist of 154 pounds would need 80 to
100 grams of protein per day. And then I found this page
http://www.ntwrks.com/~mikev/chart3a.htm which seems to show that most of
the foods I eat on a regular basis are pretty low on the protein contents.

So my question is should I be increasing my protein intake with protein
bars?

Ken

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"Ken" wrote in message
...
I have been doing a bit of quick research using google, and I am thinking
from my early reading that a vegetarian diet may not be the best diet in
the
world for a person who rides any thing more than a couple of miles at a
time.
The first thing I found was this page http://www.cptips.com/protein.htm
which seems to state that an average cyclist of 154 pounds would need 80
to
100 grams of protein per day. And then I found this page
http://www.ntwrks.com/~mikev/chart3a.htm which seems to show that most of
the foods I eat on a regular basis are pretty low on the protein contents.

So my question is should I be increasing my protein intake with protein
bars?

Ken


Instead of a yucky protein bar you could eat: nuts, soy, legumes (lentils
etc), spinach.

As you've discovered, if you're going to be a vegetarian, you HAVE to teach
yourself how to eat properly. Our diet is almost totally meat based, so to
get all the proper nutrients you have to look for alternative sources.

Cheers, and good luck!
Paul

Ken wrote in message
...
I have been doing a bit of quick research using google, and I am
thinking
from my early reading that a vegetarian diet may not be the best
diet in the
world for a person who rides any thing more than a couple of miles
at a
time.
The first thing I found was this page
http://www.cptips.com/protein.htm
which seems to state that an average cyclist of 154 pounds would
need 80 to
100 grams of protein per day. And then I found this page
http://www.ntwrks.com/~mikev/chart3a.htm which seems to show that
most of
the foods I eat on a regular basis are pretty low on the protein
contents.

So my question is should I be increasing my protein intake with
protein
bars?

Many protein bars contain collagen/gelatin and thus are not
vegetarian. Most do not taste all that great either. If milk and/or
egg products are acceptable to you, there are whey, egg, and/or caesin
protein powders available that are good ways to get more protein in
your diet. If milk and eggs are unnaceptable, there are also soy
protein powders but they are relatively low in the amino acid
methionine. I believe there are methionine supplements that are
acceptable to vegetarians.

Matthew

Matthew wrote:
Ken wrote in message
...

I have been doing a bit of quick research using google, and I am

thinking

from my early reading that a vegetarian diet may not be the best

diet in the

world for a person who rides any thing more than a couple of miles

at a

time.
The first thing I found was this page

http://www.cptips.com/protein.htm

which seems to state that an average cyclist of 154 pounds would

need 80 to

100 grams of protein per day. And then I found this page
http://www.ntwrks.com/~mikev/chart3a.htm which seems to show that

most of

the foods I eat on a regular basis are pretty low on the protein

contents.

So my question is should I be increasing my protein intake with

protein

bars?


Many protein bars contain collagen/gelatin and thus are not
vegetarian. Most do not taste all that great either. If milk and/or
egg products are acceptable to you, there are whey, egg, and/or caesin
protein powders available that are good ways to get more protein in
your diet. If milk and eggs are unnaceptable, there are also soy
protein powders but they are relatively low in the amino acid
methionine. I believe there are methionine supplements that are
acceptable to vegetarians.

Matthew

Watch out for soy, it contains a fair amount of estrogen and estrogen
like compounds. A good friend was drinking soy milk, he has an allergy
to cow's milk, and started having *problems* being able to *satisfy* his
wife.

Fri, 10 Jun 2005 16:38:02 -0400, ,
"Ken" wrote:

So my question is should I be increasing my protein intake with protein
bars?

I think it's easier to incorporate protein supplements in your
cooking. Whey powder, Brown Rice protein and Soy protein are all
available in big bags or jars.
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zk

Ken wrote:
I am thinking
from my early reading that a vegetarian diet may not be the best diet in the
world for a person who rides any thing more than a couple of miles at a
time.

It's possible to be vegetarian and be an athlete but you really have to
work at it. Google for "monique ryan vegetarian" for specific food and
recipe suggestions for endurance athletes.

It's too much effort for me, so I'm omnivorous just the way God
intended with my meateater stereoscopic vision; ability to visualize
non-linear paths, rotate objects in 3-space, and other cognitive
functions common among hunters; and digestive system adapations suited
to an omnivore diet such as my non-specialized teeth, single stomach,
medium-length gut, and omnivore gut microbes.

RFM

Ken wrote:

I have been doing a bit of quick research using google, and I am thinking
from my early reading that a vegetarian diet may not be the best diet in the
world for a person who rides any thing more than a couple of miles at a
time.
The first thing I found was this page http://www.cptips.com/protein.htm
which seems to state that an average cyclist of 154 pounds would need 80 to
100 grams of protein per day. And then I found this page
http://www.ntwrks.com/~mikev/chart3a.htm which seems to show that most of
the foods I eat on a regular basis are pretty low on the protein contents.

So my question is should I be increasing my protein intake with protein
bars?

Ken


Lots of good info here and much of it is cycling specific.
http://www.organicathlete.org/

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My bike blog:
http://diabloscott.blogspot.com/

Roy Owen wrote:

Watch out for soy, it contains a fair amount of estrogen and estrogen
like compounds. A good friend was drinking soy milk, he has an allergy
to cow's milk, and started having *problems* being able to *satisfy* his
wife.

My mother is Japanese and I have been drinking soy milk for something
like 20 years now and have been heavily consuming other soy products
for close to 40 years. I haven't had any problems in the area of sexual
function or production.

I think there are legit concerns regarding unfermented soy products
(which soy milk is one, along with TVP and soy powders and soy flour).
Fermented soy products such as tofu, miso, shoyu[1] and natto[2] seem
to have less hormonal impact, from what I've read.

RFM

[1] shoyu = soy sauce -- the real stuff, not the fake La Choy salt
water with unfermented soy protein and caramel color.

[2] natto = fermented soy beans. Sticky, gooey, mucousy stinks to high
heaven and tastes absolutely delicious, especially when served with
miso soup that has fish mold[3] and seaweed in it.

[3] bonito fish are left to dry. A white mold grows on the outside of
the fish. This fish mold shaved from the fish gives most Japanese food
its distinctive dead-fish flavoring. My grandmother had strips of
bonito hanging in the kitchen; as a kid I always thought the white
coating was dried salt. Same with the white mold that grows on konbu
seaweed.

"Fritz M" wrote:

Ken wrote:
I am thinking
from my early reading that a vegetarian diet may not be the best diet in the
world for a person who rides any thing more than a couple of miles at a
time.

It's possible to be vegetarian and be an athlete but you really have to
work at it. Google for "monique ryan vegetarian" for specific food and
recipe suggestions for endurance athletes.

It's too much effort for me, so I'm omnivorous just the way God
intended with my meateater stereoscopic vision; ability to visualize
non-linear paths, rotate objects in 3-space, and other cognitive
functions common among hunters; and digestive system adapations suited
to an omnivore diet such as my non-specialized teeth, single stomach,
medium-length gut, and omnivore gut microbes.

I'd work on a better pickup line, though.... ;-)

Ken wrote:
I have been doing a bit of quick research using google, and I am thinking
from my early reading that a vegetarian diet may not be the best diet in the
world for a person who rides any thing more than a couple of miles at a
time.
The first thing I found was this page http://www.cptips.com/protein.htm
which seems to state that an average cyclist of 154 pounds would need 80 to
100 grams of protein per day. And then I found this page
http://www.ntwrks.com/~mikev/chart3a.htm which seems to show that most of
the foods I eat on a regular basis are pretty low on the protein contents.

So my question is should I be increasing my protein intake with protein
bars?

Ken


Bars are easy on the bike food. But off the bike, i do not want to be
eating the same stuff. if you are not vegan - then Optimum Nutrition's
Whey Protein is Good stuff - found in GNC stores - or try other protein
powders to figure out which is most suitable to your body.

For vegans, in addition to Soy, Wheat is another good source of protein
- flaxseed powder, wheat bran are good sources of proteins. Nuts are
great source of good fat and proteins..

Don't worry, training plays a important role than nutrition. With a
reasonable nutrition plan, and a good training you can achieve any of
the cycling goals. If you are still concerned, check out Endurox or any
of the products from Hammer Nutrition, but be ready to pay $$$.

my 2 cents,
+ravi