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"DESAY" wrote in message
... While high RPMs are attained during the apex of a sprint wouldn't the usage of near maximal weight lifting be a neural contributor to perhaps the initial stage of acceleration in a sprint, or even a standing start? See the standing start example at http://home.earthlink.net/~acoggan/misc The reason I ask is because many of the top sprinters do use high intensity lifting in their regimen and there must be a good reason other then because the "other guy is doing it." Weight training is a great way to induce hypertrophy. In addition, track cyclists will often have to initiate a sprint from low, or even zero, velocity. Andy Coggan |
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On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 14:44:39 GMT, " Tim Mullin" wrote:
"DESAY" wrote in message ... I've read that among the athletes that have used these methods of training were Valery Borzov and Ben Johnson who have utilized a 3RM squat load 10 minutes before winning 100 meter championships. Johnson was known for using a number of "methods of training." Probably not the best example.... Dude, don't diss neurological post-tetanic facilitation - it works. -- Scott Johnson "Always with the excuses for small legs. People like you are why they only open the top half of caskets." -Tommy Bowen |
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"DESAY" wrote in message ... I've read that among the athletes that have used these methods of training were Valery Borzov and Ben Johnson who have utilized a 3RM squat load 10 minutes before winning 100 meter championships. Johnson was known for using a number of "methods of training." Probably not the best example.... |
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"Andy Coggan" wrote in message hlink.net...
Since this comes up over and over and over again on multiple forums, I thought I'd try to clear up some of the confusion: http://home.earthlink.net/~acoggan/misc/id4.html Ones ability to ride at high velocities for long periods of time is a function of VO2max, lactate threshold and economy (efficiency). Since the forces required to reach VO2max are well below those for maximal force and strength requirements, strength is not considered to be an important part of endurance training. TT winners are defined by the above aerobic cycling abilities, however a road race has many different demands and strength could be deemed a limiting factor in producing the power required to win a sprint or to successfully "jump", attack or counter attack. So I think the real question is in regard to the road or aerobic athlete (as apposed to match/track sprinter) is whether weight training that includes specific training adaptations are effective in improving the maximal force and strength requirements for sprinting and attacking or whether this can be more effectively achieved by on the bike training. As a side issue one area where I think strength at lactate threshold may be a limiting factor could be in the race Paris-Roubaix. When riding hard on the pave the oxygen carrying capacity is the limiting factor of performance, however the top riders who would be outputting 400-500 watts on the pave tend to pedal a bigger gear with a lower cadence – maybe the demands of riding the pave as opposed to a smooth road require a somewhat lower cadence. This means that they require more strength at each revolution and a greater muscle contraction. This might somewhat explain why the Paris-Roubaix winners tend to be bigger men and are regarded as "strong" men. |
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"Top Sirloin" wrote in message ... Dude, don't diss neurological post-tetanic facilitation - it works. Dude, Johnson didn't get his medal yanked for using neurological post-tetanic facilitation. Steriods work, too. Using Johnson as an example of the success of anything other than _Better Living Through Chemistry_ is folly. |
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In article , DESAY
wrote: I never thought of sprinting as a continuous synchronization of power output, but rather a disruptive diverse array of force production on the pedals. While high RPMs are attained during the apex of a sprint wouldn't the usage of near maximal weight lifting be a neural contributor to perhaps the initial stage of acceleration in a sprint, or even a standing start? As you say, from about 40 rpm's to about 90+ rpm's a sprint is mostly a series of pushing more or less straight down on the pedals with high force, but if that force is averaged out over one or more pedal strokes or recorded (and averaged) only once per half second (like Andy has done in his article) the (actual) forces applied appear smaller, e.g. 400 pounds of force applied for one-third of a pedal stroke doesn't look like much when it's averaged over a whole pedal stroke or for a half second. Sprinters are often known for their uneven application of force during a pedal stroke, a.k.a. "stompers". A standing start or low rpm acceleration has much more evenly-distributed forces around the pedal stroke when it's being done right. Some of the things I came across involving max lifting and acute CNS responses are as follows: (Poliquin, 1996) 1/6 Principle: Based on the neurological post-tetanic facilitation phenomenon, which in essence shows that if you do a 6RM effort load within minutes of doing a 1RM set your load at 6RM would be heavier then if you hadn't used the 1RM. Siff & Verkohoshansky (1993) The "After-Effect Phenomenon" in which it's decsribed that a tonic effect on the inertness is attained after maximal intensity dynamic and isometric efforts. The tonic effect can be innervated as much as a day later. My legs feel tired after doing resistance training on them the previous day but they also feel more alive and ready. I've read that among the athletes that have used these methods of training were Valery Borzov and Ben Johnson who have utilized a 3RM squat load 10 minutes before winning 100 meter championships. I noticed (L'equipe) that the French National Team would do their weight training in the infield of a velodrome. I was curious if they were tying this methodology into their regimen. A fellow cyclist did happen to a catch a french sports segment on TV showcasing the workout regimen of Florian Rousseau. It showed Rousseau peforming squats followed up by standing starts. I cannot verify the preciseness of the program as I was getting the info second hand but it seemed to be in line with the above literature. Perhaps they are using squats as a means to warmup and prepare for the harder effort(s) to come. -WG |
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...whether weight
training that includes specific training adaptations are effective in improving the maximal force and strength requirements for sprinting and attacking or whether this can be more effectively achieved by on the bike training. As pointed out above, maximal force and strength are not required for sprinting and attacking in road racing, probably the only time these factors come into play is at very low velocities (like from a stop) with a big gear (i.e. track sprinters). |
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"Top Sirloin" wrote in message
... If you want to be the best cyclist possible - don't lift year round. However if you're a masters racer concerned with bone density As a professional in the field of exercise science, I should be the last person to discourage individuals from exercising. Even so, I think it is important to recognize that weight training is actually a fairly weak stimulus for increasing bone mineral density, at least compared to impact sports and/or drug treatment. So, if you're a master's racer who is *really* concerned about your bone density (e.g., due to a family history of osteoporosis, results of a DXA scan), you shouldn't blindly count on weight training to protect you. Andy Coggan |
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