The Great Don Quijote of RBM!

(Not Tom) Keats wrote:
"Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman" wrote in message
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(not Tom) Keats wrote:
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And as far as sending republicans to Gutmo Bay is concerned (they must
have renamed it after Sicko's visit, lol), I've heard the medical care
there is just wonderful. Anyway the gentle souls of Gutmo Bay , in the
zenith of good health, are going to be loosed on the world quite soon.
You will no doubt be celebrating the occasion with your family and
friends, yes?
Considering that most of the prisoners are there because someone turned
them in for fictional "terrorist activities" to collect bounty money, yes.


Yes I know. *Most* imprisoned terrorists are turned in by their
brother-in-laws who never liked them to begin with or were forced on into
the field of battle by *others* just like *most* inmates in any prison are
*innocent* of all charges. What we are doing to them is just plain *mean*.
They've been humiliated enough.

We should free them all, don't you think?

Any "we" wonder why "they" hate us?

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Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
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Clive George wrote:
"A Muzi" wrote in message
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No expert, but I keep a copy on my desk. Where's that section on
out-of-uniform enemy combatants overseas and their 'rights' under the
American Constitution again??

hint: Why does Geneva require uniforms, chain of command etc for
definition of POWs?

Ok, so they aren't POWs. Which means they must be normal prisoners, and
should be treated as such - with the normal trial, etc. And this should
be done by somebody with juristiction in the area.

If they're not covered by the American Constitution, why are the
Americans holding them?

The prisoners ARE covered by the US Constitution, since ALL ratified
treaties are considered to be the supreme law of the land, and the US
has ratified the Geneva Conventions. From Article 6:
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This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made
in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made,
under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of
the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any
Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary
notwithstanding.
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Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
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still me? wrote:
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FWIW, the constitution has no provision for the Iraqi invasion, but
that's another story.

The US Constitution does have a provision for the invasion of Iraq:

"The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United
States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction
of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors."

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Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
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Andrew Muzi wrote:
"A Muzi" wrote
No expert, but I keep a copy on my desk. Where's that section on
out-of-uniform enemy combatants overseas and their 'rights' under the
American Constitution again??
hint: Why does Geneva require uniforms, chain of command etc for
definition of POWs?

Clive George wrote:
Ok, so they aren't POWs. Which means they must be normal prisoners,
and should be treated as such - with the normal trial, etc. And this
should be done by somebody with juristiction in the area.

If they're not covered by the American Constitution, why are the
Americans holding them?

Some might say it's an ad hoc and still-evolving solution to vicious and
feral attacks based on an asymmetry which exploits the freedoms of an
advanced civilization against itself. Not citizens. Not soldiers. No
clear prior examples to follow....

Do you approve of the asymmetry in weapons used that has killed hundred
of thousands of innocent Iraqi civilians in Iraq, while the number of US
citizens killed by Iraqi's in the US is either none or something close
to that value?

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Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
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Bill Sornson wrote:
Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
Andrew Muzi wrote:
"Keats" wrote:
Hmmmm.....How to go about getting rid of the republicans?
"still me" wrote in message
Getting rid of the Republicans is easy. Just force them to practice
what they preach. So, let their kids play with the poisoned and
unsafe toys from China. Make them live in neighborhoods hopelessly
polluted by chemical manufacturers and industrial polluters. Make
them breath the air that comes from factories without pollution
controls and vehicles without emission controls. Make them drive
cars with no safety devices. As a second layer, eves drop on their
conversations without warrant or court oversight and when we
decide it's right to arrest them based on evidence we won't
disclose, send them to Gutmo Bay to be held until we decide what
to do with them. They'll all be gone in a generation.
Keats wrote:
So drinking USA water, breathing USA air, and driving USA cars is
your idea of a death sentence for republicans, eh?
And as far as sending republicans to Gutmo Bay is concerned (they
must have renamed it after Sicko's visit, lol), I've heard the
medical care there is just wonderful. Anyway the gentle souls of
Gutmo Bay , in the zenith of good health, are going to be loosed on
the world quite soon. You will no doubt be celebrating the
occasion with your family and friends, yes?

The poor wayward misunderstood waifs of deficient parentage who are
now getting sprung from Gitmo (Saudi cash + NYC attorneys) have a
way of ending up dead in firefights with Marines lately.

Good riddance but wish they could go with less risk to good men.
If someone locked you up and tortured you for several years even
though you were innocent, would revenge cross your mind?

Tortured before or after their herbal wraps? LOL

Sometimes Bill Sornson can be funny. This is not one of them.

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Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
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"Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman" wrote in message
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(Not Tom) Keats wrote:
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If anything, each of the 200 unlawful enemy combatant trials would be
more difficult than Moussaoui's trail, which, by the way, took over four
years to get started with a cost of tens of millions dollars....

What is that, a couple days profit on no-bid Iraqi "rebuilding" contracts?

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No, it's what the Moussaoui circus trial cost us and has nothing to do with
any contract to rebuild anything in Iraq.

I don't know about the profits on Iraq rebuilding contracts, but I trust the
democrats will investigate every cent spent in for every single one of them.
And if anything is out of the ordinary they will certainly let us know
before the upcoming election.

My sense of the matter is that you are an anti-profit kind of guy. I could
be wrong, but I doubt it.

(not Tom) Keats

(Not Tom) Keats wrote:
"Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman" wrote in message
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(Not Tom) Keats wrote:
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If anything, each of the 200 unlawful enemy combatant trials would be
more difficult than Moussaoui's trail, which, by the way, took over four
years to get started with a cost of tens of millions dollars....

What is that, a couple days profit on no-bid Iraqi "rebuilding" contracts?

--

No, it's what the Moussaoui circus trial cost us and has nothing to do with
any contract to rebuild anything in Iraq.

I don't know about the profits on Iraq rebuilding contracts, but I trust the
democrats will investigate every cent spent in for every single one of them.
And if anything is out of the ordinary they will certainly let us know
before the upcoming election.

My sense of the matter is that you are an anti-profit kind of guy. I could
be wrong, but I doubt it.

Since the political right in the US has always whined so much about
taxes and "government waste", I thought I would help them out by
bringing attention to an example of wasted tax money.

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Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

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"Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman" wrote in message
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(Not Tom) Keats wrote:
"Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman" wrote in
message .. .
(not Tom) Keats wrote:
...
And as far as sending republicans to Gutmo Bay is concerned (they must
have renamed it after Sicko's visit, lol), I've heard the medical care
there is just wonderful. Anyway the gentle souls of Gutmo Bay , in
the zenith of good health, are going to be loosed on the world quite
soon. You will no doubt be celebrating the occasion with your family
and friends, yes?
Considering that most of the prisoners are there because someone turned
them in for fictional "terrorist activities" to collect bounty money,
yes.


Yes I know. *Most* imprisoned terrorists are turned in by their
brother-in-laws who never liked them to begin with or were forced on into
the field of battle by *others* just like *most* inmates in any prison
are *innocent* of all charges. What we are doing to them is just plain
*mean*.
They've been humiliated enough.

We should free them all, don't you think?

Any "we" wonder why "they" hate us?

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"We" may wonder, but "I" don't wonder, because I got the straight skinny
right from the horse's mouth. According to bin Laden it's because we are
"infidels". And they will continue to hate us until we "come to Islam" and
live under Sharia law. He has never once indicated it's because we aren't
"nice" to them. In fact, in a jihad holy war "being nice" is considered
weakness to be exploited.

You do realize we are in a religious war with fundamentalist Islam don't
you?

(not Tom) Keats

"Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman" wrote in message
.. .
(not Tom) Keats wrote:
...
And as far as sending republicans to Gutmo Bay is concerned (they must
have renamed it after Sicko's visit, lol), I've heard the medical care
there is just wonderful. Anyway the gentle souls of Gutmo Bay , in the
zenith of good health, are going to be loosed on the world quite soon.
You will no doubt be celebrating the occasion with your family and
friends, yes?

Considering that most of the prisoners are there because someone turned
them in for fictional "terrorist activities" to collect bounty money, yes.

Hell, even Gates and Rice want the camp closed.

ALL terrorists should be shot on sight. After all, they murder mostly
innocents - and then they hide behind them if and when they can. I say kill
them all! Prison is way too good for them.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

"still me" wrote in message
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On Tue, 7 Aug 2007 08:25:43 -0500, "Keats" wrote:

By far most of the Gutmo Bay (great name still me) enemy combatant
detainees
have been released or sent back to their countries of origin. What's left
is about 200 of the worst of the worst.

Then try the other 200. They've been ther long enough.

Two hundred Moussaoui like farce trials would be a real hoot, but we
hardly
have the time, money, or patience for it.

Different circumstances, different trial. But, the fact remains. They
are entitled to due process. If their guilty, hang 'em, if not, send
them home.

So it seems to me the best
course would be to keep the detainee community together and resettle them
in
the USA to start their new lives. We need to identify a nice liberal
community where the diversity the detainees bring to the community would
be
celebrated by the residents. Where did you say you lived?

Sorry my friend, but you've read me wrong. The fact that I don't like
the recent Republican party, and that I believe in a strong
Constitution and a stronger Bill of Rights, doesn't make me a liberal.
It makes me a conservative. But, you're too neo-con to know that.
Unless you want to brand the Founding Fathers as liberals. Then I will
proudly stand beside them.

The Constitution and Bill of Rights are just scraps of paper. All that
matters to me is the Nation of America. We need to kill our enemies before
they kill us. What is there about this that you do not understand?

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota