Ditch Tyler; focus on the Tour de Swiss evidence

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"Dave Lee" wrote:

"Mike Jacoubowsky" wrote in message
m...

Big SNIP

The 'information' (that I recall) from the lab (as presented by 60 minutes -
so I am already suspicious) was that the test results were 'suspicious and
consistent with EPO usage'.

This is a (possibly) very different statement from 'he failed the test'. Was
this the lab 'keeping their options open' or were the test results less than
conclusive? I guess we don't know.

Suspicious is not a technical term until it is defined.
What is the definition here? Is the test result
consistent with no EPO usage?

--
Michael Press

On May 23, 12:35*pm, "Mike Jacoubowsky"
wrote:
"Anton Berlin" wrote in message

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On May 23, 3:10 am, Ronko wrote:

What you heard tonight on "60 Minutes," and apparently repeated
before a Federal Grand Jury, is Hearsay Evidence and not admissible in
Court. Hearsay is not allowed unless there is a cross-examination and
the trier-of-fact (Judge or Jury), is able to see the demeanor of the
witness. There is no cross-examination before a Grand Jury, these are
one-sided proceedings where a prosecuting attorney is seeking an
indictment.

As to the Tour of Swiss "bomb-shells," they fall into the same
category
as revealed by Tyler Hamilton. Other credible evidence will be needed.

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Dumbass - if Lance Armstrong tells Tyler "here's how to use EPO" it's
not hearsay.
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But it's not corroborated either. It remains he-said she-said.

--Mike-- * * Chain Reaction Bicycleswww.ChainReactionBicycles.com

who is the she in this?

On May 23, 3:42*pm, "Dave Lee" wrote:
"Mike Jacoubowsky" *wrote in message

m...

Big SNIP

The 'information' (that I recall) from the lab (as presented by 60 minutes -
so I am already suspicious) *was that the test results were 'suspicious and
consistent with EPO usage'.

This is a (possibly) very different statement from 'he failed the test'. Was
this the lab 'keeping their options open' or were the test results less than
conclusive? I guess we don't know.

dave

These tests in which scientists give an aesthetic evaluation of a
blood sample are not scientific tests. In fact, all of them should
have been invalidated. The test is so subjective that they can nail
someone they don't like, e.g., Iban Mayo who had his inconclusive B
sample retested until they got the result they wanted, so why not go
the other way too?

-ilan

On May 23, 5:27*am, "Mike Jacoubowsky"
wrote:
Tyler doesn't come across as believable; his blinking, his pauses when
answering questions, and his statement about losing his epo virginity to
the white lunchbag and then later acting as if it was this big thing
"reaching out" to Lance for epo... either that was bad editing by 60
minutes or just one more thing about Tyler that causes me to question
anything he says. It was also a bit misleading when 60 minutes initially
mentions, in passing, that Tyler's writing a book, but later, when they
ask about motivations for coming out, the book isn't mentioned.

But the Tour de Swiss stuff... if there's a real trail there, that's
what I would go with. Skip anything that's a he-said she-said thing and
give us the "dope" on the UCI. Let's just hope it's more than Lance's
donation though.

--Mike-- * * Chain Reaction Bicycleswww.ChainReactionBicycles.com

Tyler Hamilton fails my basic intelligence test, whether the rider can
speak more than one language. His case is particularly bad, since he
lived in Nice for years, but in interviews with French TV, he couldn't
even say a single word in French. Same goes for Landis, even though I
don't think he as dumb as Tyler Hamilton. The fact that he won
Collegiate Nationals doesn't impress me, some of the dumbest people I
ever met were collegiate bike racers, a lot of them even got Stanford
Ph.D.'s.

-ilan

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On May 23, 3:10*am, Ronko wrote:
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Tyler doesn't come across as believable; his blinking, his pauses
when
answering questions, and his statement about losing his epo
virginity
to
the white lunchbag and then later acting as if it was this big thing
"reaching out" to Lance for epo... either that was bad editing by 60
minutes or just one more thing about Tyler that causes me to
question
anything he says. It was also a bit misleading when 60 minutes
initially
mentions, in passing, that Tyler's writing a book, but later, when
they
ask about motivations for coming out, the book isn't mentioned.

But the Tour de Swiss stuff... if there's a real trail there, that's
what I would go with. Skip anything that's a he-said she-said thing
and
give us the "dope" on the UCI. Let's just hope it's more than
Lance's
donation though.

--Mike-- * * Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com

What you heard tonight on "60 Minutes," and apparently repeated
before a Federal Grand Jury, is Hearsay Evidence and not admissible
in
Court. Hearsay is not allowed unless there is a cross-examination
and
the trier-of-fact (Judge or Jury), is able to see the demeanor of the
witness. There is no cross-examination before a Grand Jury, these
are
one-sided proceedings where a prosecuting attorney is seeking an
indictment.

As to the Tour of Swiss "bomb-shells," they fall into the same
category
as revealed by Tyler Hamilton. Other credible evidence will be
needed.

Dumbass - if Lance Armstrong tells Tyler "here's how to use EPO" it's
not hearsay.
Reread my post, Tyler Hamilton can say anything he likes and it means
nothing until heard by a Court of Law, if his testimony is even allowed.
Grand Jury's are essentially Prosecuting Attorney "dog and pony shows"
in an attempt to get an indictment where substantial evidence is lacking
to bring an indictment on credible evidence.

I know you can't wait to shave your legs and put on your tights and "I
Love Tyler" TankTop. Try to curb your enthusiam so it is mildly in line
with legal reality.

"ilan" wrote in message
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On May 23, 5:27 am, "Mike Jacoubowsky"
wrote:
Tyler doesn't come across as believable; his blinking, his pauses when
answering questions, and his statement about losing his epo virginity to
the white lunchbag and then later acting as if it was this big thing
"reaching out" to Lance for epo... either that was bad editing by 60
minutes or just one more thing about Tyler that causes me to question
anything he says. It was also a bit misleading when 60 minutes initially
mentions, in passing, that Tyler's writing a book, but later, when they
ask about motivations for coming out, the book isn't mentioned.

But the Tour de Swiss stuff... if there's a real trail there, that's
what I would go with. Skip anything that's a he-said she-said thing and
give us the "dope" on the UCI. Let's just hope it's more than Lance's
donation though.

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycleswww.ChainReactionBicycles.com
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Tyler Hamilton fails my basic intelligence test, whether the rider can
speak more than one language. His case is particularly bad, since he
lived in Nice for years, but in interviews with French TV, he couldn't
even say a single word in French. Same goes for Landis, even though I
don't think he as dumb as Tyler Hamilton. The fact that he won
Collegiate Nationals doesn't impress me, some of the dumbest people I
ever met were collegiate bike racers, a lot of them even got Stanford
Ph.D.'s.

-ilan
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Je parle francais comme une vache espagnole

I remember watching Lance being interviewed on French TV at an airport
during my return from the TdF in 2001 I believe. He was speaking passable
French, but stumbling over his words a bit, inserting a lot of little ers &
ums & pauses. The French announcer grabbed the mic from him and asked that
he speak in English and he'd translate. Apparently he'd never heard Lance
speak in English, since that's simply the way he talks?

Funny that Tyler didn't pick up on any French. You'd almost have to
deliberately try not to, which doesn't go over very well. Me? I have a
terrible time with languages. Wish it were otherwise. When you visit a place
like Belgium and discover how many different languages most people can
speak, it's a real eye-opener.

--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA