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Tom Crispin wrote:
JNugent wrote: Don't apologise. I won't. Only 5/10 for English. "I shan't" is the more correct version. But well done for not apologising. Using a car for any journey is absolutely nothing to apologise for, and others have no right whatsoever to bully you into feeling guilty about it. |
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Clive George wrote:
"Tom Crispin" wrote in message ... On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 20:30:44 +0100, "Brimstone" wrote: No. I would have preferred to haul the bikes by bike. Safety concerns over hauling an unladen trailer caused me to use the motor vehicle. I'm interested to learn what these safety concerns might be. A numpty motorist, not paying proper attention, and ramming the trailer. A valid concern, as my friend could testify. He was riding a tandem on his own, and had to stop due to traffic in front of him. The car behind rammed him, thinking he was on a conventional length bike. You use the very Dougite term "rammed" (which implies a deliberate act). Did you mean "rear-ended" (with the implication of a non-deliberate collision which the driver would doubtless prefer to have avoided)? |
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On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 23:32:34 +0100, JNugent
wrote: I'm interested to learn what these safety concerns might be. A numpty motorist, not paying proper attention, and ramming the trailer. A valid concern, as my friend could testify. He was riding a tandem on his own, and had to stop due to traffic in front of him. The car behind rammed him, thinking he was on a conventional length bike. You use the very Dougite term "rammed" (which implies a deliberate act). The context of 'rammed' was given in my message: "A numpty motorist, not paying proper attention, and ramming the trailer." |
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On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 23:30:54 +0100, JNugent
wrote: I won't. Only 5/10 for English. "I shan't" is the more correct version. Other than Godwin's Law, a spelling flame is a surest sign that an argument has been won. |
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On 11 Sep, 16:49, Tom Crispin
wrote: On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 23:56:07 -0700 (PDT), Doug wrote: I would certainly class myself as a cyclist over motorist. But what you have to take into account, Tom, is that motorists do feel a little guilty these days of greater environmental awareness and maybe take refuge in cycling as an excuse. What better greenwash than to be regarded as a regular cyclist while sneaking around furtively in your car! I am a regular cyclist. I wouldn't class bombing up to Scotland on the M6 at speeds of up to 60mph as being furtive, or even charging down to the south of France and into northern Spain, having booked my car onto the shuttle train service under the English Channel. Surely a truly green cyclist would never dream of using a car? What I certainly do not do is use my car for journeys under 10 miles that can reasonably be commuted by bicycle. I think that I have only used my car five times so far this year, one of which was for under five miles, but I did have five children's bicycles in the boot. Not bad then. I think I might class you as a real cyclist. -- London Carfree http://www.london.carfree.org.uk/ 1.5 million adults in London live without a car. |
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On 11 Sep, 17:42, BrianW wrote:
On 11 Sep, 16:14, Doug wrote: On 11 Sep, 08:51, Ben C wrote: On 2009-09-11, Doug wrote: On 11 Sep, 01:05, Martin wrote: Doug wrote: On this newsgroup are motorists who also claim to be cyclists but who are highly critical of cyclists, which casts doubt on their claim to be cyclists. So what, for the purposes of debate here, might qualify as a cyclist? May I suggest the following: 'If a person travels further each year on a cycle than they do in a car then they can be regarded as a genuine cyclist'. Why does it have to be distance, why not time. If a person travels 120 miles a week by car and 100 miles by bike, they could easily achieve the car distance in 2 hours yet the bike distance would take many cyclists over 5 hours. They would spend longer in the saddle, than at the wheel. Because travel is consumerist and bad for the planet. What harm exactly does travel do to the planet? Are you concerned we're going to wear it out by driving across it too much? Travel is a form of consumerism which wastes non-renewable energy and pollutes. Also it tends to trash the environment at tourist hot-spots. Those who benefit financially from the tourist trade usual do so at the expense of their environment. There can be no doubt that humans love to move around a lot and this may be attributable to the hunter- gatherer instinct but technology has provided a way of proliferating travel to the extent that it has become a very serious threat to the environment. Couldn't agree more. *For example, see this pic of some irresponsible individual riding a two stroke motorbike in the Sahara Desert. *Just think of the CO2 involved in transporting that person there, plus the pollution caused by the motorbike in a fragile environment. *What sort of person would do that, Doug? http://www.pnony.org.uk/maroc.html Its the person you are obsessed with and in love with and stalk on the internet isn't it, Brian? -- Car Free Cities http://www.carfree.com/ Carfree Cities proposes a delightful solution to the vexing problem of urban automobiles. |
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On 11 Sep, 23:30, JNugent wrote:
Tom Crispin wrote: JNugent wrote: Don't apologise. I won't. Only 5/10 for English. "I shan't" is the more correct version. But well done for not apologising. Using a car for any journey is absolutely nothing to apologise for, and others have no right whatsoever to bully you into feeling guilty about it. Why not? Cyclists get bullied here on this NG and on the roads when they are physically intimidated by drivers who threaten to ram them. -- Critical Mass London http://www.criticalmasslondon.org.uk "Get out of my way you f*ing cyclist". |
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On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 22:47:42 -0700 (PDT), Doug
wrote: I think that I have only used my car five times so far this year, one of which was for under five miles, but I did have five children's bicycles in the boot. Not bad then. I think I might class you as a real cyclist. It's absurd to define a cyclist by their driving habits. Would you define a motorist by their aviation habits? |
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Doug wrote:
On 11 Sep, 16:49, Tom Crispin wrote: On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 23:56:07 -0700 (PDT), Doug wrote: I would certainly class myself as a cyclist over motorist. But what you have to take into account, Tom, is that motorists do feel a little guilty these days of greater environmental awareness and maybe take refuge in cycling as an excuse. What better greenwash than to be regarded as a regular cyclist while sneaking around furtively in your car! I am a regular cyclist. I wouldn't class bombing up to Scotland on the M6 at speeds of up to 60mph as being furtive, or even charging down to the south of France and into northern Spain, having booked my car onto the shuttle train service under the English Channel. Surely a truly green cyclist would never dream of using a car? What I certainly do not do is use my car for journeys under 10 miles that can reasonably be commuted by bicycle. I think that I have only used my car five times so far this year, one of which was for under five miles, but I did have five children's bicycles in the boot. Not bad then. I think I might class you as a real cyclist. -- London Carfree http://www.london.carfree.org.uk/ 1.5 million adults in London live without a car. I bet he feels over the moon about that. -- Tony Dragon |
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On 2009-09-11, JNugent wrote:
Tom Crispin wrote: JNugent wrote: Don't apologise. I won't. Only 5/10 for English. "I shan't" is the more correct version. Oh really? Would you like to explain why? |
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