So much fr a growth in bicycle riding from the pandemic.

On Mon, 1 Jun 2020 16:33:12 -0000 (UTC), Duane
wrote:

wrote:
On Monday, June 1, 2020 at 7:19:48 AM UTC+2, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Monday, 1 June 2020 00:28:47 UTC-4, John B. wrote:
On Sun, 31 May 2020 18:49:33 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On Sunday, May 31, 2020 at 6:55:57 PM UTC-4, John B. wrote:

Actually Frank, I wasn't advocating anything. I was arguing that an
entity has the right to do what it wishes with it's own property.
Are you arguing that one doesn't?

Nope. As I said, a person generally has the right to do what one likes
with his property, assuming it doesn't harm others. But still, some
things a person might choose to do are, well, stupid. That person
shouldn't be surprised if other people mention that stupidity.

Just as one must certainly be a bit off to spend, oh say, $3,000 on a
bicycle.... and ride it in the rain?

Many would say that's stupid. Others would disagree. That disagreement
could lead to rational discussion, from which various people might
learn a thing or two. If only we could find a discussion group where
such things could be discussed!

- Frank Krygowski

Well, given that it is (still I hope) a democracy we need to take a
vote. Question? Riding a $3,000 bicycle in the rain is just plain
silly.

You care to estimate percentages pro and con if we go to any large
population center and ask the first 100 people that walk down the
street?
--
cheers,

John B.

Back in 1985 or 1986 I bought a brand new Columbus SL racing bicycle
with a complete Dura Ace Indexed groupset. At that time the bike cost
$1,500,00 CDN That's $3,192.00CDN today. Many times I had to ride that
bike home from work in the rain.

For some people (not me) a $3,000.00+ bike is not that expensive and
thus they might treat it as we'd treat a beater bike.

For others a $3,000.00+ bike might be the ONLY bike they own and thus
will ride it in the rain too.

Cheers

A bike best suitable to ride in the rain can be expensive so it would be
silly not to ride it in the rain.

Lou


What would make a bike unsuitable to ride in the rain? Someone once told
me after we were caught in a storm that I should get a beater bike to ride
in bad weather. Why? My Tarmac dries off ok. AFAICT it’s only the rider
that is worst for wear under those conditions. Life’s too short for cheap
coffee, bad beer and beater bikes.

Actually my original post was intended to illustrate two traits (1)
Buying a $3,000 bicycle and (2) riding a bicycle in the rain :-)
--
cheers,

John B.

On Monday, June 1, 2020 at 12:56:05 PM UTC-7, Sepp Ruf wrote:
jbeattie wrote:

I got my gravel bike for almost half-price from Western Bikeworks --
which has closed its showroom and gone entirely on line. That was a
shame, although it thankfully dodged the whole COVID-19 debacle which
might put it in a position to reopen another bricks and mortar store.

Speaking of COVID-19 and bikes, my best biking buddy just bought a new
component group for his 12 year old CF Pinarello (pro deal direct from
Campagnolo) and needed some new HS and BB bearings to finish the build.
He didn't want to internet order, so he went down and stood in line
outside of River City bikes. All the shops have you wait outside. He
says it takes a half an hour to buy a tube because of the lines.

That's crazy, even an ambulance driver could fix a punctured (bicycle) tube
in under half an hour!

Come on, you know what these people are up to. The "tube" customers will
bicycle to participate in rioting and looting. Riding through the resultant
debris, they know from experience they'll need spare tubes to get away.
https://youtu.be/BRUQQd8_KuA?t=180

While the ball bearings buyers ... probably will just build bombs like your
fellow lawyers:
https://nypost.com/2020/06/01/molotov-cocktail-tossing-lawyers-tried-to-pass-out-explosives-cops/

Yikes, and I was worried about consorting with weed smokers when I raced on a team filled with Bohemian bike messengers. Those two are gonna get their tickets yanked, assuming they were admitted to any bar in the first place.

On a lighter note, our former paralegal, later lawyer and Court of Appeals judge, Bob Wollheim, protested Vietnam by dodging the draft, served a prison sentence and got admitted to the bar. https://www.reed.edu/reed-magazine/i...llheim-70.html Interestingly, that article mentions the chief judge, Rick Haselton, who was also a partner in my firm and my mentor. Anyway, protest the right way and you can get a license. Bombing is probably not the right way, but you know, things change. Maybe bombing is O.K. now -- like eScooters.

-- Jay Beattie.

On Monday, June 1, 2020 at 9:19:21 AM UTC-7, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Monday, 1 June 2020 11:13:01 UTC-4, jbeattie wrote:
On Monday, June 1, 2020 at 12:15:48 AM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
On Sun, 31 May 2020 22:19:45 -0700 (PDT), Sir Ridesalot
wrote:

On Monday, 1 June 2020 00:28:47 UTC-4, John B. wrote:
On Sun, 31 May 2020 18:49:33 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On Sunday, May 31, 2020 at 6:55:57 PM UTC-4, John B. wrote:

Actually Frank, I wasn't advocating anything. I was arguing that an
entity has the right to do what it wishes with it's own property.
Are you arguing that one doesn't?

Nope. As I said, a person generally has the right to do what one likes
with his property, assuming it doesn't harm others. But still, some
things a person might choose to do are, well, stupid. That person
shouldn't be surprised if other people mention that stupidity.

Just as one must certainly be a bit off to spend, oh say, $3,000 on a
bicycle.... and ride it in the rain?

Many would say that's stupid. Others would disagree. That disagreement
could lead to rational discussion, from which various people might
learn a thing or two. If only we could find a discussion group where
such things could be discussed!

- Frank Krygowski

Well, given that it is (still I hope) a democracy we need to take a
vote. Question? Riding a $3,000 bicycle in the rain is just plain
silly.

You care to estimate percentages pro and con if we go to any large
population center and ask the first 100 people that walk down the
street?
--
cheers,

John B.

Back in 1985 or 1986 I bought a brand new Columbus SL racing bicycle with a complete Dura Ace Indexed groupset. At that time the bike cost $1,500,00 CDN That's $3,192.00CDN today. Many times I had to ride that bike home from work in the rain.

For some people (not me) a $3,000.00+ bike is not that expensive and thus they might treat it as we'd treat a beater bike.

For others a $3,000.00+ bike might be the ONLY bike they own and thus will ride it in the rain too.

Cheers

Look at the TREK site. $3,000 is chicken feed when it comes to
bicycles.
How about the "Checkpoint SL" Described as " an adventure-hungry
carbon gravel bike that can help you crush the toughest, longest
rides". Selling for only $5,999.99, a pittance for a bike of this
nature.

You seem to be shocked by the price of bikes. My shock level doesn't start until five figures, and there are a lot of five-figure bikes, believe it or not. My son loves to quote OTC prices on top-end eBikes just to test my shock level. https://tinyurl.com/y7gorhu7


The Checkpoint is actually a good value bike for what you get -- not bargain basement, but Trek has some nice offerings that you can get on annual discounts. I wouldn't buy the high-end 1X because I spend too much time on the pavement getting to gravel, and 1X would drive me nuts.

I got my gravel bike for almost half-price from Western Bikeworks -- which has closed its showroom and gone entirely on line. That was a shame, although it thankfully dodged the whole COVID-19 debacle which might put it in a position to reopen another bricks and mortar store.

Speaking of COVID-19 and bikes, my best biking buddy just bought a new component group for his 12 year old CF Pinarello (pro deal direct from Campagnolo) and needed some new HS and BB bearings to finish the build. He didn't want to internet order, so he went down and stood in line outside of River City bikes. All the shops have you wait outside. He says it takes a half an hour to buy a tube because of the lines.



-- Jay Beattie.

I've often wondered what happens with an E-bike when it needs a new battery. Are the batteries proprietary like so many bicycle stuff seems to be these days?

Or is the battery so expensive you might as well buy a new E-bike?

Cheers

Like Muzi said.

Batteries are really, really expensive but not so expensive that you buy a new bike -- unless you like buying new bikes. https://tinyurl.com/y9j9l8s2 If you live close to work, the cheaper alternative is an extension cord.

-- Jay Beattie.

On Mon, 1 Jun 2020 08:12:58 -0700 (PDT), jbeattie
wrote:

On Monday, June 1, 2020 at 12:15:48 AM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
On Sun, 31 May 2020 22:19:45 -0700 (PDT), Sir Ridesalot
wrote:

On Monday, 1 June 2020 00:28:47 UTC-4, John B. wrote:
On Sun, 31 May 2020 18:49:33 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On Sunday, May 31, 2020 at 6:55:57 PM UTC-4, John B. wrote:

Actually Frank, I wasn't advocating anything. I was arguing that an
entity has the right to do what it wishes with it's own property.
Are you arguing that one doesn't?

Nope. As I said, a person generally has the right to do what one likes
with his property, assuming it doesn't harm others. But still, some
things a person might choose to do are, well, stupid. That person
shouldn't be surprised if other people mention that stupidity.

Just as one must certainly be a bit off to spend, oh say, $3,000 on a
bicycle.... and ride it in the rain?

Many would say that's stupid. Others would disagree. That disagreement
could lead to rational discussion, from which various people might
learn a thing or two. If only we could find a discussion group where
such things could be discussed!

- Frank Krygowski

Well, given that it is (still I hope) a democracy we need to take a
vote. Question? Riding a $3,000 bicycle in the rain is just plain
silly.

You care to estimate percentages pro and con if we go to any large
population center and ask the first 100 people that walk down the
street?
--
cheers,

John B.

Back in 1985 or 1986 I bought a brand new Columbus SL racing bicycle with a complete Dura Ace Indexed groupset. At that time the bike cost $1,500,00 CDN That's $3,192.00CDN today. Many times I had to ride that bike home from work in the rain.

For some people (not me) a $3,000.00+ bike is not that expensive and thus they might treat it as we'd treat a beater bike.

For others a $3,000.00+ bike might be the ONLY bike they own and thus will ride it in the rain too.

Cheers

Look at the TREK site. $3,000 is chicken feed when it comes to
bicycles.
How about the "Checkpoint SL" Described as " an adventure-hungry
carbon gravel bike that can help you crush the toughest, longest
rides". Selling for only $5,999.99, a pittance for a bike of this
nature.

You seem to be shocked by the price of bikes. My shock level doesn't start until five figures, and there are a lot of five-figure bikes, believe it or not. My son loves to quote OTC prices on top-end eBikes just to test my shock level. https://tinyurl.com/y7gorhu7

Not shocked at bike prices just pondering a society where some see
nothing excessive in spending , oh say, $10,000 on a bicycle when at
the average U.S. minimum wage it would take a working man 6.6 months
to earn that amount ( total wages disregarding living costs).
Reminiscent of Russia in 1917.

And thinking back to when I was working and used to hire lawyers :-)


The Checkpoint is actually a good value bike for what you get -- not bargain basement, but Trek has some nice offerings that you can get on annual discounts. I wouldn't buy the high-end 1X because I spend too much time on the pavement getting to gravel, and 1X would drive me nuts.

I got my gravel bike for almost half-price from Western Bikeworks -- which has closed its showroom and gone entirely on line. That was a shame, although it thankfully dodged the whole COVID-19 debacle which might put it in a position to reopen another bricks and mortar store.

Speaking of COVID-19 and bikes, my best biking buddy just bought a new component group for his 12 year old CF Pinarello (pro deal direct from Campagnolo) and needed some new HS and BB bearings to finish the build. He didn't want to internet order, so he went down and stood in line outside of River City bikes. All the shops have you wait outside. He says it takes a half an hour to buy a tube because of the lines.

Why didn't you go down and help the lad out. After all, a bloke that
will front up $10,000 for a bicycle must, certainly, go to the head of
the line. Mustn't he?



-- Jay Beattie.


--
cheers,

John B.

On Monday, June 1, 2020 at 5:48:04 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
On Mon, 1 Jun 2020 08:12:58 -0700 (PDT), jbeattie
wrote:

On Monday, June 1, 2020 at 12:15:48 AM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
On Sun, 31 May 2020 22:19:45 -0700 (PDT), Sir Ridesalot
wrote:

On Monday, 1 June 2020 00:28:47 UTC-4, John B. wrote:
On Sun, 31 May 2020 18:49:33 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On Sunday, May 31, 2020 at 6:55:57 PM UTC-4, John B. wrote:

Actually Frank, I wasn't advocating anything. I was arguing that an
entity has the right to do what it wishes with it's own property..
Are you arguing that one doesn't?

Nope. As I said, a person generally has the right to do what one likes
with his property, assuming it doesn't harm others. But still, some
things a person might choose to do are, well, stupid. That person
shouldn't be surprised if other people mention that stupidity.

Just as one must certainly be a bit off to spend, oh say, $3,000 on a
bicycle.... and ride it in the rain?

Many would say that's stupid. Others would disagree. That disagreement
could lead to rational discussion, from which various people might
learn a thing or two. If only we could find a discussion group where
such things could be discussed!

- Frank Krygowski

Well, given that it is (still I hope) a democracy we need to take a
vote. Question? Riding a $3,000 bicycle in the rain is just plain
silly.

You care to estimate percentages pro and con if we go to any large
population center and ask the first 100 people that walk down the
street?
--
cheers,

John B.

Back in 1985 or 1986 I bought a brand new Columbus SL racing bicycle with a complete Dura Ace Indexed groupset. At that time the bike cost $1,500,00 CDN That's $3,192.00CDN today. Many times I had to ride that bike home from work in the rain.

For some people (not me) a $3,000.00+ bike is not that expensive and thus they might treat it as we'd treat a beater bike.

For others a $3,000.00+ bike might be the ONLY bike they own and thus will ride it in the rain too.

Cheers

Look at the TREK site. $3,000 is chicken feed when it comes to
bicycles.
How about the "Checkpoint SL" Described as " an adventure-hungry
carbon gravel bike that can help you crush the toughest, longest
rides". Selling for only $5,999.99, a pittance for a bike of this
nature.

You seem to be shocked by the price of bikes. My shock level doesn't start until five figures, and there are a lot of five-figure bikes, believe it or not. My son loves to quote OTC prices on top-end eBikes just to test my shock level. https://tinyurl.com/y7gorhu7

Not shocked at bike prices just pondering a society where some see
nothing excessive in spending , oh say, $10,000 on a bicycle when at
the average U.S. minimum wage it would take a working man 6.6 months
to earn that amount ( total wages disregarding living costs).
Reminiscent of Russia in 1917.

And thinking back to when I was working and used to hire lawyers :-)


The Checkpoint is actually a good value bike for what you get -- not bargain basement, but Trek has some nice offerings that you can get on annual discounts. I wouldn't buy the high-end 1X because I spend too much time on the pavement getting to gravel, and 1X would drive me nuts.

I got my gravel bike for almost half-price from Western Bikeworks -- which has closed its showroom and gone entirely on line. That was a shame, although it thankfully dodged the whole COVID-19 debacle which might put it in a position to reopen another bricks and mortar store.

Speaking of COVID-19 and bikes, my best biking buddy just bought a new component group for his 12 year old CF Pinarello (pro deal direct from Campagnolo) and needed some new HS and BB bearings to finish the build. He didn't want to internet order, so he went down and stood in line outside of River City bikes. All the shops have you wait outside. He says it takes a half an hour to buy a tube because of the lines.

Why didn't you go down and help the lad out. After all, a bloke that
will front up $10,000 for a bicycle must, certainly, go to the head of
the line. Mustn't he?

The lad is 53 years old and hasn't paid full price for a bike in decades. He's in the industry and gets pro deals and has never paid anywhere near $10K for a bike. He's also fast and kicked my ass today on our lunch time ride..

The fascinating thing about his old Pinarello is that it uses 6806 bearings (standard BB30 bearings) for the headset, and you press them in. His install was off or the HS was out of adjustment, so he stopped on a climb to fix it, and I just rode by -- the only way I beat him to the top. I'm hoping other parts need on-road adjusting.

Another fascinating thing is that Campy 12 cassettes all come 11/29, 11/32 and 11/34! Gads, what happened to the corn-cob days of yore when 13/21 was your freewheel for climbing, and you had a 42t inner chain ring and not 34t. We have become weak!

-- Jay Beattie.

On 6/1/2020 7:47 PM, John B. wrote:
On Mon, 1 Jun 2020 08:12:58 -0700 (PDT), jbeattie
wrote:

On Monday, June 1, 2020 at 12:15:48 AM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
On Sun, 31 May 2020 22:19:45 -0700 (PDT), Sir Ridesalot
wrote:

On Monday, 1 June 2020 00:28:47 UTC-4, John B. wrote:
On Sun, 31 May 2020 18:49:33 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On Sunday, May 31, 2020 at 6:55:57 PM UTC-4, John B. wrote:

Actually Frank, I wasn't advocating anything. I was arguing that an
entity has the right to do what it wishes with it's own property.
Are you arguing that one doesn't?

Nope. As I said, a person generally has the right to do what one likes
with his property, assuming it doesn't harm others. But still, some
things a person might choose to do are, well, stupid. That person
shouldn't be surprised if other people mention that stupidity.

Just as one must certainly be a bit off to spend, oh say, $3,000 on a
bicycle.... and ride it in the rain?

Many would say that's stupid. Others would disagree. That disagreement
could lead to rational discussion, from which various people might
learn a thing or two. If only we could find a discussion group where
such things could be discussed!

- Frank Krygowski

Well, given that it is (still I hope) a democracy we need to take a
vote. Question? Riding a $3,000 bicycle in the rain is just plain
silly.

You care to estimate percentages pro and con if we go to any large
population center and ask the first 100 people that walk down the
street?
--
cheers,

John B.

Back in 1985 or 1986 I bought a brand new Columbus SL racing bicycle with a complete Dura Ace Indexed groupset. At that time the bike cost $1,500,00 CDN That's $3,192.00CDN today. Many times I had to ride that bike home from work in the rain.

For some people (not me) a $3,000.00+ bike is not that expensive and thus they might treat it as we'd treat a beater bike.

For others a $3,000.00+ bike might be the ONLY bike they own and thus will ride it in the rain too.

Cheers

Look at the TREK site. $3,000 is chicken feed when it comes to
bicycles.
How about the "Checkpoint SL" Described as " an adventure-hungry
carbon gravel bike that can help you crush the toughest, longest
rides". Selling for only $5,999.99, a pittance for a bike of this
nature.

You seem to be shocked by the price of bikes. My shock level doesn't start until five figures, and there are a lot of five-figure bikes, believe it or not. My son loves to quote OTC prices on top-end eBikes just to test my shock level. https://tinyurl.com/y7gorhu7

Not shocked at bike prices just pondering a society where some see
nothing excessive in spending , oh say, $10,000 on a bicycle when at
the average U.S. minimum wage it would take a working man 6.6 months
to earn that amount ( total wages disregarding living costs).
Reminiscent of Russia in 1917.

And thinking back to when I was working and used to hire lawyers :-)


The Checkpoint is actually a good value bike for what you get -- not bargain basement, but Trek has some nice offerings that you can get on annual discounts. I wouldn't buy the high-end 1X because I spend too much time on the pavement getting to gravel, and 1X would drive me nuts.

I got my gravel bike for almost half-price from Western Bikeworks -- which has closed its showroom and gone entirely on line. That was a shame, although it thankfully dodged the whole COVID-19 debacle which might put it in a position to reopen another bricks and mortar store.

Speaking of COVID-19 and bikes, my best biking buddy just bought a new component group for his 12 year old CF Pinarello (pro deal direct from Campagnolo) and needed some new HS and BB bearings to finish the build. He didn't want to internet order, so he went down and stood in line outside of River City bikes. All the shops have you wait outside. He says it takes a half an hour to buy a tube because of the lines.

Why didn't you go down and help the lad out. After all, a bloke that
will front up $10,000 for a bicycle must, certainly, go to the head of
the line. Mustn't he?



If a nice $30K carbon bicycle offends you, stay away from
the other carbon creations out of Vicenza:

https://www.pagani.com/

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On 6/1/2020 8:26 PM, jbeattie wrote:
On Monday, June 1, 2020 at 5:48:04 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
On Mon, 1 Jun 2020 08:12:58 -0700 (PDT), jbeattie
wrote:

On Monday, June 1, 2020 at 12:15:48 AM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
On Sun, 31 May 2020 22:19:45 -0700 (PDT), Sir Ridesalot
wrote:

On Monday, 1 June 2020 00:28:47 UTC-4, John B. wrote:
On Sun, 31 May 2020 18:49:33 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On Sunday, May 31, 2020 at 6:55:57 PM UTC-4, John B. wrote:

Actually Frank, I wasn't advocating anything. I was arguing that an
entity has the right to do what it wishes with it's own property.
Are you arguing that one doesn't?

Nope. As I said, a person generally has the right to do what one likes
with his property, assuming it doesn't harm others. But still, some
things a person might choose to do are, well, stupid. That person
shouldn't be surprised if other people mention that stupidity.

Just as one must certainly be a bit off to spend, oh say, $3,000 on a
bicycle.... and ride it in the rain?

Many would say that's stupid. Others would disagree. That disagreement
could lead to rational discussion, from which various people might
learn a thing or two. If only we could find a discussion group where
such things could be discussed!

- Frank Krygowski

Well, given that it is (still I hope) a democracy we need to take a
vote. Question? Riding a $3,000 bicycle in the rain is just plain
silly.

You care to estimate percentages pro and con if we go to any large
population center and ask the first 100 people that walk down the
street?
--
cheers,

John B.

Back in 1985 or 1986 I bought a brand new Columbus SL racing bicycle with a complete Dura Ace Indexed groupset. At that time the bike cost $1,500,00 CDN That's $3,192.00CDN today. Many times I had to ride that bike home from work in the rain.

For some people (not me) a $3,000.00+ bike is not that expensive and thus they might treat it as we'd treat a beater bike.

For others a $3,000.00+ bike might be the ONLY bike they own and thus will ride it in the rain too.

Cheers

Look at the TREK site. $3,000 is chicken feed when it comes to
bicycles.
How about the "Checkpoint SL" Described as " an adventure-hungry
carbon gravel bike that can help you crush the toughest, longest
rides". Selling for only $5,999.99, a pittance for a bike of this
nature.

You seem to be shocked by the price of bikes. My shock level doesn't start until five figures, and there are a lot of five-figure bikes, believe it or not. My son loves to quote OTC prices on top-end eBikes just to test my shock level. https://tinyurl.com/y7gorhu7

Not shocked at bike prices just pondering a society where some see
nothing excessive in spending , oh say, $10,000 on a bicycle when at
the average U.S. minimum wage it would take a working man 6.6 months
to earn that amount ( total wages disregarding living costs).
Reminiscent of Russia in 1917.

And thinking back to when I was working and used to hire lawyers :-)


The Checkpoint is actually a good value bike for what you get -- not bargain basement, but Trek has some nice offerings that you can get on annual discounts. I wouldn't buy the high-end 1X because I spend too much time on the pavement getting to gravel, and 1X would drive me nuts.

I got my gravel bike for almost half-price from Western Bikeworks -- which has closed its showroom and gone entirely on line. That was a shame, although it thankfully dodged the whole COVID-19 debacle which might put it in a position to reopen another bricks and mortar store.

Speaking of COVID-19 and bikes, my best biking buddy just bought a new component group for his 12 year old CF Pinarello (pro deal direct from Campagnolo) and needed some new HS and BB bearings to finish the build. He didn't want to internet order, so he went down and stood in line outside of River City bikes. All the shops have you wait outside. He says it takes a half an hour to buy a tube because of the lines.

Why didn't you go down and help the lad out. After all, a bloke that
will front up $10,000 for a bicycle must, certainly, go to the head of
the line. Mustn't he?

The lad is 53 years old and hasn't paid full price for a bike in decades. He's in the industry and gets pro deals and has never paid anywhere near $10K for a bike. He's also fast and kicked my ass today on our lunch time ride.

The fascinating thing about his old Pinarello is that it uses 6806 bearings (standard BB30 bearings) for the headset, and you press them in. His install was off or the HS was out of adjustment, so he stopped on a climb to fix it, and I just rode by -- the only way I beat him to the top. I'm hoping other parts need on-road adjusting.

Another fascinating thing is that Campy 12 cassettes all come 11/29, 11/32 and 11/34! Gads, what happened to the corn-cob days of yore when 13/21 was your freewheel for climbing, and you had a 42t inner chain ring and not 34t. We have become weak!

-- Jay Beattie.



When Campagnolo said 'Twelve' I rolled my eyes. But the
current line is packed full of wonderful innovative
features, 34t with a short changer being one of them.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Mon, 1 Jun 2020 18:26:31 -0700 (PDT), jbeattie
wrote:

On Monday, June 1, 2020 at 5:48:04 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
On Mon, 1 Jun 2020 08:12:58 -0700 (PDT), jbeattie
wrote:

On Monday, June 1, 2020 at 12:15:48 AM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
On Sun, 31 May 2020 22:19:45 -0700 (PDT), Sir Ridesalot
wrote:

On Monday, 1 June 2020 00:28:47 UTC-4, John B. wrote:
On Sun, 31 May 2020 18:49:33 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On Sunday, May 31, 2020 at 6:55:57 PM UTC-4, John B. wrote:

Actually Frank, I wasn't advocating anything. I was arguing that an
entity has the right to do what it wishes with it's own property.
Are you arguing that one doesn't?

Nope. As I said, a person generally has the right to do what one likes
with his property, assuming it doesn't harm others. But still, some
things a person might choose to do are, well, stupid. That person
shouldn't be surprised if other people mention that stupidity.

Just as one must certainly be a bit off to spend, oh say, $3,000 on a
bicycle.... and ride it in the rain?

Many would say that's stupid. Others would disagree. That disagreement
could lead to rational discussion, from which various people might
learn a thing or two. If only we could find a discussion group where
such things could be discussed!

- Frank Krygowski

Well, given that it is (still I hope) a democracy we need to take a
vote. Question? Riding a $3,000 bicycle in the rain is just plain
silly.

You care to estimate percentages pro and con if we go to any large
population center and ask the first 100 people that walk down the
street?
--
cheers,

John B.

Back in 1985 or 1986 I bought a brand new Columbus SL racing bicycle with a complete Dura Ace Indexed groupset. At that time the bike cost $1,500,00 CDN That's $3,192.00CDN today. Many times I had to ride that bike home from work in the rain.

For some people (not me) a $3,000.00+ bike is not that expensive and thus they might treat it as we'd treat a beater bike.

For others a $3,000.00+ bike might be the ONLY bike they own and thus will ride it in the rain too.

Cheers

Look at the TREK site. $3,000 is chicken feed when it comes to
bicycles.
How about the "Checkpoint SL" Described as " an adventure-hungry
carbon gravel bike that can help you crush the toughest, longest
rides". Selling for only $5,999.99, a pittance for a bike of this
nature.

You seem to be shocked by the price of bikes. My shock level doesn't start until five figures, and there are a lot of five-figure bikes, believe it or not. My son loves to quote OTC prices on top-end eBikes just to test my shock level. https://tinyurl.com/y7gorhu7

Not shocked at bike prices just pondering a society where some see
nothing excessive in spending , oh say, $10,000 on a bicycle when at
the average U.S. minimum wage it would take a working man 6.6 months
to earn that amount ( total wages disregarding living costs).
Reminiscent of Russia in 1917.

And thinking back to when I was working and used to hire lawyers :-)


The Checkpoint is actually a good value bike for what you get -- not bargain basement, but Trek has some nice offerings that you can get on annual discounts. I wouldn't buy the high-end 1X because I spend too much time on the pavement getting to gravel, and 1X would drive me nuts.

I got my gravel bike for almost half-price from Western Bikeworks -- which has closed its showroom and gone entirely on line. That was a shame, although it thankfully dodged the whole COVID-19 debacle which might put it in a position to reopen another bricks and mortar store.

Speaking of COVID-19 and bikes, my best biking buddy just bought a new component group for his 12 year old CF Pinarello (pro deal direct from Campagnolo) and needed some new HS and BB bearings to finish the build. He didn't want to internet order, so he went down and stood in line outside of River City bikes. All the shops have you wait outside. He says it takes a half an hour to buy a tube because of the lines.

Why didn't you go down and help the lad out. After all, a bloke that
will front up $10,000 for a bicycle must, certainly, go to the head of
the line. Mustn't he?

The lad is 53 years old and hasn't paid full price for a bike in decades. He's in the industry and gets pro deals and has never paid anywhere near $10K for a bike. He's also fast and kicked my ass today on our lunch time ride.

The fascinating thing about his old Pinarello is that it uses 6806 bearings (standard BB30 bearings) for the headset, and you press them in. His install was off or the HS was out of adjustment, so he stopped on a climb to fix it, and I just rode by -- the only way I beat him to the top. I'm hoping other parts need on-road adjusting.

Another fascinating thing is that Campy 12 cassettes all come 11/29, 11/32 and 11/34! Gads, what happened to the corn-cob days of yore when 13/21 was your freewheel for climbing, and you had a 42t inner chain ring and not 34t. We have become weak!

-- Jay Beattie.

True. Apparently y'all aren't strong enough to operate a mechanical
shifter any more and now require electric shifting.

One can only assume that as the U.S. bicycling fraternity becomes more
and more decrepit that "push bikes" will become a thing of the past as
has the "penny farthing" and people will be bragging about their new
E-Bikes. "See there! It's all plastic and It's got that new Chinese
motor".
--
cheers,

John B.

On Mon, 01 Jun 2020 20:33:49 -0500, AMuzi wrote:

On 6/1/2020 7:47 PM, John B. wrote:
On Mon, 1 Jun 2020 08:12:58 -0700 (PDT), jbeattie
wrote:

On Monday, June 1, 2020 at 12:15:48 AM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
On Sun, 31 May 2020 22:19:45 -0700 (PDT), Sir Ridesalot
wrote:

On Monday, 1 June 2020 00:28:47 UTC-4, John B. wrote:
On Sun, 31 May 2020 18:49:33 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On Sunday, May 31, 2020 at 6:55:57 PM UTC-4, John B. wrote:

Actually Frank, I wasn't advocating anything. I was arguing that an
entity has the right to do what it wishes with it's own property.
Are you arguing that one doesn't?

Nope. As I said, a person generally has the right to do what one likes
with his property, assuming it doesn't harm others. But still, some
things a person might choose to do are, well, stupid. That person
shouldn't be surprised if other people mention that stupidity.

Just as one must certainly be a bit off to spend, oh say, $3,000 on a
bicycle.... and ride it in the rain?

Many would say that's stupid. Others would disagree. That disagreement
could lead to rational discussion, from which various people might
learn a thing or two. If only we could find a discussion group where
such things could be discussed!

- Frank Krygowski

Well, given that it is (still I hope) a democracy we need to take a
vote. Question? Riding a $3,000 bicycle in the rain is just plain
silly.

You care to estimate percentages pro and con if we go to any large
population center and ask the first 100 people that walk down the
street?
--
cheers,

John B.

Back in 1985 or 1986 I bought a brand new Columbus SL racing bicycle with a complete Dura Ace Indexed groupset. At that time the bike cost $1,500,00 CDN That's $3,192.00CDN today. Many times I had to ride that bike home from work in the rain.

For some people (not me) a $3,000.00+ bike is not that expensive and thus they might treat it as we'd treat a beater bike.

For others a $3,000.00+ bike might be the ONLY bike they own and thus will ride it in the rain too.

Cheers

Look at the TREK site. $3,000 is chicken feed when it comes to
bicycles.
How about the "Checkpoint SL" Described as " an adventure-hungry
carbon gravel bike that can help you crush the toughest, longest
rides". Selling for only $5,999.99, a pittance for a bike of this
nature.

You seem to be shocked by the price of bikes. My shock level doesn't start until five figures, and there are a lot of five-figure bikes, believe it or not. My son loves to quote OTC prices on top-end eBikes just to test my shock level. https://tinyurl.com/y7gorhu7

Not shocked at bike prices just pondering a society where some see
nothing excessive in spending , oh say, $10,000 on a bicycle when at
the average U.S. minimum wage it would take a working man 6.6 months
to earn that amount ( total wages disregarding living costs).
Reminiscent of Russia in 1917.

And thinking back to when I was working and used to hire lawyers :-)


The Checkpoint is actually a good value bike for what you get -- not bargain basement, but Trek has some nice offerings that you can get on annual discounts. I wouldn't buy the high-end 1X because I spend too much time on the pavement getting to gravel, and 1X would drive me nuts.

I got my gravel bike for almost half-price from Western Bikeworks -- which has closed its showroom and gone entirely on line. That was a shame, although it thankfully dodged the whole COVID-19 debacle which might put it in a position to reopen another bricks and mortar store.

Speaking of COVID-19 and bikes, my best biking buddy just bought a new component group for his 12 year old CF Pinarello (pro deal direct from Campagnolo) and needed some new HS and BB bearings to finish the build. He didn't want to internet order, so he went down and stood in line outside of River City bikes. All the shops have you wait outside. He says it takes a half an hour to buy a tube because of the lines.

Why didn't you go down and help the lad out. After all, a bloke that
will front up $10,000 for a bicycle must, certainly, go to the head of
the line. Mustn't he?



If a nice $30K carbon bicycle offends you, stay away from
the other carbon creations out of Vicenza:

https://www.pagani.com/


It doesn't "offend" me. Not at all.
But in, oh say 60 years, will people be proudly displaying their
plastic bicycle and calling it a classic?
--
cheers,

John B.

On 6/1/2020 9:26 PM, jbeattie wrote:

Another fascinating thing is that Campy 12 cassettes all come 11/29, 11/32 and 11/34! Gads, what happened to the corn-cob days of yore when 13/21 was your freewheel for climbing, and you had a 42t inner chain ring and not 34t. We have become weak!

I remember doing one century ride long ago when a young guy looked at
the 34 tooth cog on my touring bike and said "I've never _seen_ a cog
that big!" His tone was far from respectful.

I'd like to track him down and say "Hey little kid, look what's on the
market now. I was ahead of the curve."

--
- Frank Krygowski