Question about Race Tradition

On Sun, 20 Jul 2003 19:17:00 -0700, "Bruce Johnston"
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"Carl Sundquist" wrote in message
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"Bruce Johnston" wrote in message
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"Carl Sundquist" wrote in message
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"benjo maso" wrote in message

yeah, and before that it must of been a very long time. I will
leave
that
one for Masso.


Although my name isn't Masso, I can answer the question.
Benjo Maso


We understand.

Mr. LVM-L Stalker/Name Butcher seems to think the second five-time TdF
winner was Merck.

Stalker nah, name butcher not true. Merckx and Maso wasn't intentional.
Second five time winner... I don't where you get this stuff but if you
got
anymore problems with me I guess we could get together and sort it out.

B-



In a Texas second, Tuff Guy?

I have had my ass kicked plenty of times, knifes and guns pulled on me. My
best friend was navy seal, his name was Joe Franco from Livingston
California. We used to kick the crap out of each other. I also trained
another guy who was full contact fighter in Marines. I trained in Tae Kwon
Do, kick boxing and chinese arts for about 12 years. I'm not that tuff, at
least not in Fresno. I was second degree black, but i'm rusty now. I just
don't deserve the constant crap from you and I reacted.

Then have I got a guy you need to meet - he hangs out over on
rec.skiing.alpine and it sounds like you two are made for each other.

JP

"Jay Pique" wrote in message
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On Sun, 20 Jul 2003 19:17:00 -0700, "Bruce Johnston"
wrote:


"Carl Sundquist" wrote in message
...

"Bruce Johnston" wrote in message
...

"Carl Sundquist" wrote in message
...

"benjo maso" wrote in message

yeah, and before that it must of been a very long time. I will
leave
that
one for Masso.


Although my name isn't Masso, I can answer the question.
Benjo Maso


We understand.

Mr. LVM-L Stalker/Name Butcher seems to think the second five-time
TdF
winner was Merck.

Stalker nah, name butcher not true. Merckx and Maso wasn't
intentional.
Second five time winner... I don't where you get this stuff but if
you
got
anymore problems with me I guess we could get together and sort it
out.

B-



In a Texas second, Tuff Guy?

I have had my ass kicked plenty of times, knifes and guns pulled on me.
My
best friend was navy seal, his name was Joe Franco from Livingston
California. We used to kick the crap out of each other. I also trained
another guy who was full contact fighter in Marines. I trained in Tae
Kwon
Do, kick boxing and chinese arts for about 12 years. I'm not that tuff,
at
least not in Fresno. I was second degree black, but i'm rusty now. I just
don't deserve the constant crap from you and I reacted.

Then have I got a guy you need to meet - he hangs out over on
rec.skiing.alpine and it sounds like you two are made for each other.

I haven't fought in Karate Tournaments for a while. I am not up to the level
of competition in my division since I dislocated both knees several times in
matches. I took up cycling for rehab back in my 20's. We had plenty of black
belts here to train with. I used to go Moores Karate quite a bit and spar
with their instructors. It does bother me when people constantly go around
trashing the same posters when they don't deserve it. I just speak out when
they goat me into it. Pappy is probably the nicest guy in this group and he
takes the most crap. Why is that? I don't know but I do speak out from time
to time.

B-

"Bruce Johnston" wrote in message ...

"Carl Sundquist" wrote in message
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"Bruce Johnston" wrote in message
...

"Carl Sundquist" wrote in message
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"benjo maso" wrote in message

yeah, and before that it must of been a very long time. I will
leave
that
one for Masso.


Although my name isn't Masso, I can answer the question.
Benjo Maso


We understand.

Mr. LVM-L Stalker/Name Butcher seems to think the second five-time TdF
winner was Merck.

Stalker nah, name butcher not true. Merckx and Maso wasn't intentional.
Second five time winner... I don't where you get this stuff but if you
got
anymore problems with me I guess we could get together and sort it out.

B-



In a Texas second, Tuff Guy?

I have had my ass kicked plenty of times, knifes and guns pulled on me. My
best friend was navy seal, his name was Joe Franco from Livingston
California. We used to kick the crap out of each other. I also trained
another guy who was full contact fighter in Marines. I trained in Tae Kwon
Do, kick boxing and chinese arts for about 12 years. I'm not that tuff, at
least not in Fresno. I was second degree black, but i'm rusty now. I just
don't deserve the constant crap from you and I reacted.

My un-intentional name assassination verses your character assassination.
Seems like there is a gauntlet, usually you or Henry. Why don't you two guys
look into seeing if usenet would change the rules for RBR and then you guys
could decide who enters or leaves RBR. Moderator, you and Henry can take
turns. I mean really, what is the problem Carl? I don't go around trashing
you like some do to Pappy. I happen to think Pappy is cool, he takes a lot
of heat but he is never uncivil. Sorry Carl if I rubbed you the wrong way, I
never meant to.

B-


Over the past year, I've called you a name butcher, long-winded, and a stalker. If you consider that constant, I can't help that.

Unintentional or not, you can't deny the name butchering:

http://tinyurl.com/hjg6

Here are some of your discussions about Leontien Zijlaard-Van Moorsel (whose name you *never* butcher)
http://tinyurl.com/hjfk

http://tinyurl.com/hjfr

http://tinyurl.com/hjfq

IIRC, it was also said that you had been inquiring on a speed skating newsgroup how to contact her, but Google doesn't bring up anything.

BTW, someone (not Henry) emailed me regarding an earlier time when I called you a stalker and said that your mpg videos 'were creepy'.

Carl
B. Johnston stalker

Actually, last year we saw an attack on the yellow jersey on the
champs elysees. By Rumsas ("My mother (-in-law) does more dope than I
do") but he broke more rules than just some taditions, it seems.


Anyway, if the top three are still separated by less than 15 secs
before the last stage, I guess we will see some action. Flat stage or
not.

But if the difference is bigger (as usual) the GC contenteder will
prefer to say that they stick to the tradition, because it sounds a
lot nicer to say than "I don't have a chance to win"!



And now I have a completely different question for the cycling history
geeks:
What traditions and rules were introduced in the Tour that were later
used in almost every cyling race?

Some examples on top of my head:

- Was the Tour the first stage race? Or was it just the first national
tour?
- Leader's Jersey
- Special classifications: points, KOM, young, team, etc
- Special jerseys for the above
- Flamme rouge (?)
- 1km crash rule (?)
- The last stage tradition mentionned above
- Mountain top finishes (?)
- Live TV / TV motos / TV copters (?)
- ITTs ? TTTs ?
- doping controls?
- Trade Teams (??)
- Teams of 9
- the publicity caravan
- the prologue
- criterium-type circuit finish
- "neutral" mechanical support
- team cars
- feed zones
- Wildcards :-)
- ...


I have seen all the statistics in which year was the first ITT, the
first KOM jersey and such IN THE TOUR, but I am wondering if it was
the Tour that introduced all these things or did the tour organizers
copy also some stuff from other races?

From: "Kurgan Gringioni"

AF = Air Force?

Yes.
Bill C

"Carl Sundquist" wrote in message
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Over the past year, I've called you a name butcher, long-winded, and a stalker. If you consider that constant, I can't help that.

Not constant but why the sudden outburst now?

Unintentional or not, you can't deny the name butchering:

No more then many who mispell a name or miss a letter. It's quite common and when you are distracted or in a hurry, it happens but rarely does anyone make a federal case out of it.

http://tinyurl.com/hjg6

Here are some of your discussions about Leontien Zijlaard-Van Moorsel (whose name you *never* butcher)
http://tinyurl.com/hjfk

http://tinyurl.com/hjfr

http://tinyurl.com/hjfq

IIRC, it was also said that you had been inquiring on a speed skating newsgroup how to contact her, but Google doesn't bring up anything.

That's wrong or is someone else. I am not the only one with that name. Johnson is extremely common. Johnston is less common. I have never inquired into a speed skating newsgroup. Why would you want to seach for that stuff anyway?

BTW, someone (not Henry) emailed me regarding an earlier time when I called you a stalker and said that your mpg videos 'were creepy'.

Not at all, everyone has an opinion. I put together a clip one time in a swf that was a slideshow project I did in Photoshop class. All it was were a bunch of LZ pics with some Enya music background. Nothing weird about it. They know me quite well at Farm Frites and they agreed to an interview here if they ever come to the US. I know a sports journalist who wants that interview. I sent them some videos from years ago of LZ at the games in Spain. They had never seen the coverage that was covered here in the US. They returned the favor by sending me some stuff.

Carl
B. Johnston stalker

Drop the stalker stuff Carl, it's getting old and it's charcater assassination on your part. I don't go around chanting that you are an old lame washed up Ex-Pro with a chip on his shoulders. Who said that? Nobody, and I don't like the insults either coming from you.

Chill a little...

Don't stir up trouble.

B-

l (phantom) wrote in message ...

In this case of 3 riders all within 1 minute of the lowest GC time, it would
be expected that any of the 3 would attack in order to become the final GC
winner. In other words, the expectation that Lance would launch an attack to
secure the jersey is as strong as the expectation that the other 2 would
attack in order to defeat him. This expectation remains until one of the
riders is firmly established as the GC leader or the end of the race, which
ever comes first.

On a historical basis this begs the question, how will Lance Armstrong be seen,in years to come, for allowing the maillot jeune to tote water?

The young jersey? :-)

Probably the same way Virenque will be looked on for deliberately
losing time up the Alpe d'Huez in yellow. VHP never had a chance of
keeping the yellow jersey, he's a domestique who can't really climb,
his job includes fetching water. Virenque never had a chance of
keeping yellow either: he's not that good a climber, and can't TT. So
when he could see winning up the Alpe wasn't on, he made the (good)
tactical decision to lose time, so he could be safely allowed to break
away and win loads of mountains points in the later stages: result,
maillot pois.

Peter

Kurgan Gringioni wrote:

"Bruce Johnston" wrote in message
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I apologize for that Henry, to both you and Carl. I lost my head but you
were most unkind in what was really nothing worth really getting that hot
about. That was a nasty thread all the way around. I wish it never
happened.

No need to apologize - it's great fun when people lose their head.


You ****ing asswipe. I will kick your ass if you come to El Cajon this weekend.

"Precious Pup" wrote in message
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Kurgan Gringioni wrote:

"Bruce Johnston" wrote in message
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I apologize for that Henry, to both you and Carl. I lost my head but
you
were most unkind in what was really nothing worth really getting that
hot
about. That was a nasty thread all the way around. I wish it never
happened.

No need to apologize - it's great fun when people lose their head.


You ****ing asswipe. I will kick your ass if you come to El Cajon this
weekend.



lol.

I will be there.

DO WE HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!