Why didn't they wait for Beloki?

On Mon, 21 Jul 2003 22:20:52 GMT, David Ryan
wrote:

DanSchmatz wrote:

From what I heard the sounds he made as he hit/slid across the pavement were
indication that he wouldn't be riding anymore that day.

At any rate, they would have known the situation by radio in a minute or so.

a minute or so? I dont think they will wait a few minutes to hear if
they're alowed to continue the race

Two years ago, Armstrong waited for Ullrich, just for a few seconds,
to let him catch up. Today, Ullrich did the same.

If Armstrong had fallen seriously, or if he'd broken his bike in two
parts, Ullrich wouldn't wait for him.



Groet,
Arne Vogel

On 21 Jul 2003 21:18:26 GMT, (User968758) wrote:

He didn't stop to see if Beloki was ok? Neither did anyone else.
Ullrich didn't have the yellow when Lance waited for him so why didn't
anyone wait to see how Beloki was?

Excellent question.

Because Beloki wasnt getting up from that crash....

You are right Dumbass. (I mixed your stuff with that from other messages).
But I do not accept (what I think is your point) that the loss of time can
be attributed to Armstrong (and the others) making a significant gesture of
concern. It just was not there, so no "class" points for Lance.

The extra 15-25 and possibly more ( has anybody meassured?) secs are
completely within the range of what Lance cross-country trip lasted and the
time to get back on the bike, get the fear out of his system and pick up
speed.

The chase? Sorry, but if Beloki (that is not precisiley Olano going
downhill) is the one pulling down, then there was something wrong there
anyways.

"Kurgan Gringioni" wrote in
message ...

"Alex Beascoechea" wrote in message
...
The dots I can connect are your previous messages that you are now
contradicting. Bravo!



I'm not contradicting at all. Vinokourov gained and extra 20-25 seconds
after the crash. On a downhill finish, if the group was chasing, that
would
not have happened in the last 4k of a race.

Please show where I contradict myself.


Dumbass.

We all know that now. But did Lance know? I do not think so, and no gesture
he made suggests otherwise. In fact could he even know? Does it really
matter? The fact is, nobody waited (not even Zubeldia taht probably knows
Beloki pretty well).

By the time Lance and the others were arriving to the finish line, the ONCE
car had just arrived to evaluate the situation, even Beloki himself thought
for a second he could continue, till he standed up (with help) and felt the
pain in the hip (he has said so).


"Bob" wrote in message
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On 21 Jul 2003 21:18:26 GMT, (User968758) wrote:

He didn't stop to see if Beloki was ok? Neither did anyone else.
Ullrich didn't have the yellow when Lance waited for him so why didn't
anyone wait to see how Beloki was?

Excellent question.

Because Beloki wasnt getting up from that crash....

On 21 Jul 2003 21:18:26 GMT, (User968758) wrote:

He didn't stop to see if Beloki was ok? Neither did anyone else.
Ullrich didn't have the yellow when Lance waited for him so why didn't
anyone wait to see how Beloki was?

Excellent question.

Two things - on a downhill, at 50-60km/hr, riders don't "get up"
again.

Second, there was an unattached GC threat to chase ahead.

On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 02:03:04 +0200, "Alex Beascoechea"
wrote:

We all know that now. But did Lance know? I do not think so, and no gesture
he made suggests otherwise. In fact could he even know? Does it really
matter? The fact is, nobody waited (not even Zubeldia taht probably knows
Beloki pretty well).

Armstrong (and the others) knew at once that Beloki would not get on
is bike for minutes. (or worse)

That was enough to justify the decision to continue the race.


Groet,
Arne Vogel

When Armstrong waited for Ulrich, Ulrich was the only challenger he
had. He could afford to wait and no one else was a threat. When
Beloki went down, V was riding off and had no reason to wait, which
both Ulrich and Armstrong knew. If there were a cushion so that
waiting would not possibly cost the tour to another guy then I'm sure
they would have waited.

It wasn't just one time that Armstrong waited for Ulrich, and I
wouldn't be surprised if there were other times we don't know about
where the reverse is also true.