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From the NYT:
http://tinyurl.com/6sx7gh In their search for that witness, federal prosecutors have focused on Houston, Clemens’s hometown. And although it was not known whether investigators there had established any new links to Clemens, the lawyer said they had uncovered evidence connecting several other major leaguers to the use of performance-enhancing drugs. It was not clear how strong the evidence was or how many of these players were active. But federal authorities may question those individuals, the lawyer said, seeking to establish what knowledge they may have about Clemens and what they may know about drug distributors. The lawyer spoke on the condition of anonymity because he did not want to jeopardize his access to sensitive information. An official at the United States attorney’s office for the District of Columbia declined to comment. More there. I know it's beating a dead horse, and baseball is ahrdly a paragon of virtue, but what does this say about cycling, Wada, ASO, the UCI, etc... in comparison. May say something about the Times as compared to L'Equippe too. No names, no suspended on suspicion, and tried in public before any real judicial actions, etc... The other amazing thing, to me, is the lack of journalists digging into all this, along with the free pass the NBA and it's Ref's and Commissioner are getting. I guess the NBA stuff is similar to the UCI/Wada press stuff, they've buddied up to, and leaked tons of **** to the press so it's damned near impossible to find anyone really questioning the leaders of these groups and their actions. You'd never even know there were real questions about their behavior from the mainstream sporting press. Not saying it's the Press' fault because it isn't, but they sure as hell aren't doing a good job either. Patronage isn't just in the Peleton, eh? Bill C |
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On Jul 23, 6:32*pm, Bill C wrote:
From the NYT: http://tinyurl.com/6sx7gh In their search for that witness, federal prosecutors have focused on Houston, Clemens’s hometown. And although it was not known whether investigators there had established any new links to Clemens, the lawyer said they had uncovered evidence connecting several other major leaguers to the use of performance-enhancing drugs. It was not clear how strong the evidence was or how many of these players were active. But federal authorities may question those individuals, the lawyer said, seeking to establish what knowledge they may have about Clemens and what they may know about drug distributors. The lawyer spoke on the condition of anonymity because he did not want to jeopardize his access to sensitive information. An official at the United States attorney’s office for the District of Columbia declined to comment. More there. I know it's beating a dead horse, and baseball is ahrdly a paragon of virtue, but what does this say about cycling, Wada, ASO, the UCI, etc... in comparison. May say something about the Times as compared to L'Equippe too. *No names, no suspended on suspicion, and tried in public before any real judicial actions, etc... *The other amazing thing, to me, is the lack of journalists digging into all this, along with the free pass the NBA and it's Ref's and Commissioner are getting. *I guess the NBA stuff is similar to the UCI/Wada press stuff, they've buddied up to, and leaked tons of **** to the press so it's damned near impossible to find anyone really questioning the leaders of these groups and their actions. You'd never even know there were real questions about their behavior from the mainstream sporting press. *Not saying it's the Press' fault because it isn't, but they sure as hell aren't doing a good job either. *Patronage isn't just in the Peleton, eh? Well, one point that jumps up at me is, baseball isn't going to lose sponsors at anything like the same rate cycling has. (It's kinda like omerta, and yeah, it has functional aspects) Me, I'm torn between wanting the total **** to hit the fan-- long, long lists of names with phone records, paper trails IRT phone records and bank records, all of it-- and the major (USA) sports to Find a Better Way. Not just a Secret Way, either. --D-y |
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On Jul 23, 8:59*pm, " wrote:
*The other amazing thing, to me, is the lack of journalists digging into all this, along with the free pass the NBA and it's Ref's and Commissioner are getting. *I guess the NBA stuff is similar to the UCI/Wada press stuff, they've buddied up to, and leaked tons of **** to the press so it's damned near impossible to find anyone really questioning the leaders of these groups and their actions. You'd never even know there were real questions about their behavior from the mainstream sporting press. *Not saying it's the Press' fault because it isn't, but they sure as hell aren't doing a good job either. *Patronage isn't just in the Peleton, eh? Well, one point that jumps up at me is, baseball isn't going to lose sponsors at anything like the same rate cycling has. (It's kinda like omerta, and yeah, it has functional aspects) Me, I'm torn between wanting the total **** to hit the fan-- long, long lists of names with phone records, paper trails IRT phone records and bank records, all of it-- and the major (USA) sports to Find a Better Way. Not just a Secret Way, either. *--D-y- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - The whole thing is just so screwed up, full of double standards, political games, power plays, etc...everything but basic transparency, fair treatment, and justice. Kurgan keeps pointing out that doping is part of our culture, and so is snafu'd "justice" and enforcement. Unfortunately it's not just the sporting world that's screwed up. There're days it just doesn't pay to read the news: http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/07/23/btsc.obrien/index.html http://tinyurl.com/6lw97v Both stories just make my blood boil. Bill C |
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"Bill C" a écrit dans le message de news: ... From the NYT: http://tinyurl.com/6sx7gh In their search for that witness, federal prosecutors have focused on Houston, Clemens’s hometown. And although it was not known whether investigators there had established any new links to Clemens, the lawyer said they had uncovered evidence connecting several other major leaguers to the use of performance-enhancing drugs. It was not clear how strong the evidence was or how many of these players were active. But federal authorities may question those individuals, the lawyer said, seeking to establish what knowledge they may have about Clemens and what they may know about drug distributors. The lawyer spoke on the condition of anonymity because he did not want to jeopardize his access to sensitive information. An official at the United States attorney’s office for the District of Columbia declined to comment. More there. I know it's beating a dead horse, and baseball is ahrdly a paragon of virtue, but what does this say about cycling, Wada, ASO, the UCI, etc... in comparison. May say something about the Times as compared to L'Equippe too. No names, no suspended on suspicion, and tried in public before any real judicial actions, etc... ---- 1- Free press and free speech. 2- The timing also is different I suppose. Remember : During the winter we have no name of riders because there is nothing urgent. But during the tour it is urgent to have the name in order to ban the cheater immediatly. ---- The other amazing thing, to me, is the lack of journalists digging into all this, along with the free pass the NBA and it's Ref's and Commissioner are getting. I guess the NBA stuff is similar to the UCI/Wada press stuff, they've buddied up to, and leaked tons of **** to the press so it's damned near impossible to find anyone really questioning the leaders of these groups and their actions. You'd never even know there were real questions about their behavior from the mainstream sporting press. Not saying it's the Press' fault because it isn't, but they sure as hell aren't doing a good job either. Patronage isn't just in the Peleton, eh? Bill C |
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On Jul 24, 2:19*am, Montesquiou wrote:
"Bill C" a écrit dans le message de news: ... From the NYT: http://tinyurl.com/6sx7gh In their search for that witness, federal prosecutors have focused on Houston, Clemens’s hometown. And although it was not known whether investigators there had established any new links to Clemens, the lawyer said they had uncovered evidence connecting several other major leaguers to the use of performance-enhancing drugs. It was not clear how strong the evidence was or how many of these players were active. But federal authorities may question those individuals, the lawyer said, seeking to establish what knowledge they may have about Clemens and what they may know about drug distributors. The lawyer spoke on the condition of anonymity because he did not want to jeopardize his access to sensitive information. An official at the United States attorney’s office for the District of Columbia declined to comment. More there. I know it's beating a dead horse, and baseball is ahrdly a paragon of virtue, but what does this say about cycling, Wada, ASO, the UCI, etc... in comparison. May say something about the Times as compared to L'Equippe too. *No names, no suspended on suspicion, and tried in public before any real judicial actions, etc... ---- 1- Free press and free speech. 2- The timing also is different I suppose. Remember : During the winter we have no name of riders because there is nothing urgent. * * *But during the tour it is urgent to have the name in order to ban the cheater immediatly. ---- Due Process, and there's that little confidentiality bit in the Wada, and lab codes, but it seems it's only bad when the riders violate the rules. Glad you support the press volunteering to be a tool for political usage. I can only wish the press was free and unbiased, or stated their biases right up front. That's one of the things I like about The Guardian. There the editors have said publicly that they aren't there to be unbiased, they are there to promote an agenda, period. At least they are honest. Bill C |
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Bill C wrote:
On Jul 24, 2:19 am, Montesquiou wrote: "Bill C" a écrit dans le message de news: ... From the NYT: http://tinyurl.com/6sx7gh In their search for that witness, federal prosecutors have focused on Houston, Clemens’s hometown. And although it was not known whether investigators there had established any new links to Clemens, the lawyer said they had uncovered evidence connecting several other major leaguers to the use of performance-enhancing drugs. It was not clear how strong the evidence was or how many of these players were active. But federal authorities may question those individuals, the lawyer said, seeking to establish what knowledge they may have about Clemens and what they may know about drug distributors. The lawyer spoke on the condition of anonymity because he did not want to jeopardize his access to sensitive information. An official at the United States attorney’s office for the District of Columbia declined to comment. More there. I know it's beating a dead horse, and baseball is ahrdly a paragon of virtue, but what does this say about cycling, Wada, ASO, the UCI, etc... in comparison. May say something about the Times as compared to L'Equippe too. No names, no suspended on suspicion, and tried in public before any real judicial actions, etc... ---- 1- Free press and free speech. 2- The timing also is different I suppose. Remember : During the winter we have no name of riders because there is nothing urgent. But during the tour it is urgent to have the name in order to ban the cheater immediatly. ---- Due Process, and there's that little confidentiality bit in the Wada, and lab codes, but it seems it's only bad when the riders violate the rules. Glad you support the press volunteering to be a tool for political usage. I can only wish the press was free and unbiased, or stated their biases right up front. That's one of the things I like about The Guardian. There the editors have said publicly that they aren't there to be unbiased, they are there to promote an agenda, period. At least they are honest. Bill C Can you give an example of when a rider's confidentiality was violated by WADA or the labs? Magilla |
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On Jul 24, 9:35*am, MagillaGorilla wrote:
Can you give an example of when a rider's confidentiality was violated by WADA or the labs? Magilla- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Where the **** do you think the leaks are coming from, the tooth fairy? The UCI has been responsible for some too, but not the current ones. We're not gonna get names because the press protects "their" sleazeballs. It's BS they can print **** from "unmamed sources" and ruin people with it. Bill C |
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Bill C wrote:
On Jul 24, 9:35 am, MagillaGorilla wrote: Can you give an example of when a rider's confidentiality was violated by WADA or the labs? Magilla- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Where the **** do you think the leaks are coming from, the tooth fairy? The UCI has been responsible for some too, but not the current ones. We're not gonna get names because the press protects "their" sleazeballs. It's BS they can print **** from "unmamed sources" and ruin people with it. Bill C The leaks are coming from someone in the athlete's entourage (when the athlete is notified of the positive A-sample, they tell lots of people). The "leaks" are also coming from the federation when they're notified. But none of the leaks are coming from WADA or the labs. The lab workers don't even know who the **** it is who tested positive because all they have is a number ID. Second - what ****ing difference does it make given that in 99.999% of allpositive A-tests, the athlete is found guilty. You appear to be calling a "violation of a rider's confidentiality" what is really just a delay. Once the federation is notified, they can make it public if they want. Where are you coming up with this confidentialuty violation stuff? And second, what difference does it make given that they are all found guilty anyway. All you seem to be arguing about is a silly delay in notifing the public should take place. Why is that such a big deal to you? Magilla |
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On Jul 24, 4:03*pm, MagillaGorilla wrote:
Bill C wrote: On Jul 24, 9:35 am, MagillaGorilla wrote: Can you give an example of when a rider's confidentiality was violated by WADA or the labs? Magilla- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Where the **** do you think the leaks are coming from, the tooth fairy? The UCI has been responsible for some too, but not the current ones. *We're not gonna get names because the press protects "their" sleazeballs. It's BS they can print **** from "unmamed sources" and ruin people with it. *Bill C The leaks are coming from someone in the athlete's entourage (when the athlete is notified of the positive A-sample, they tell lots of people). * The "leaks" are also coming from the federation when they're notified.. But none of the leaks are coming from WADA or the labs. * The lab workers don't even know who the **** it is who tested positive because all they have is a number ID. Second - what ****ing difference does it make given that in 99.999% of allpositive A-tests, the athlete is found guilty. *You appear to be calling a "violation of a rider's confidentiality" what is really just a delay. Once the federation is notified, they can make it public if they want. Where are you coming up with this confidentialuty violation stuff? *And second, what difference does it make given that they are all found guilty anyway. *All you seem to be arguing about is a silly delay in notifing the public should take place. * Why is that such a big deal to you? Magilla- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Just lynch the ****ers right? (wording intentional) Bill C |
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