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Interesting Article On How Cars Took Over the Road
This 4 year old article finally appeared in the U. S. media with little attempt to hide the plagiarism:
https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-26073797 This is interesting from a political POV: Someone living in the U. S. today, for example, might think that the combination of the new technology and the money to afford the new technology would be enough for motorists to run everyone else off the street _without_ any political work or organization whatsoever. This has certainly been true with info tech today and it was always true for aviation, i.e., planes landing on highways, no regulation of drones even today, etc. But that wasn't the case a century ago. Apparently all human life was respected back then. Motorists had to get organized to run everyone else off the road! Bret Cahill |
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Interesting Article On How Cars Took Over the Road
On 29/08/18 20:56, Bret Cahill wrote:
This 4 year old article finally appeared in the U. S. media with little attempt to hide the plagiarism: https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-26073797 Visiting your side of the water a couple of years ago, I found the larger towns and cities very walkable. Probably because they tend to be in grids, there usually isn't much reason to cross except at intersections. Roads are wider so th ecrossing time requires larger gaps between vehicles but, compared to the UK, intersections with sidewalks are better marked and, unlike the UK, drivers give way when turning. Of course, any law that restricts the right to walk is inherently anti-liberty; controls are only needed on those with the means to harm others. The US seems to get its priorities the wrong way round. |
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On 30/08/2018 00:19, TMS320 wrote:
On 29/08/18 20:56, Bret Cahill wrote: This 4 year old article finally appeared in the U. S. media with little attempt to hide the plagiarism: https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-26073797 Visiting your side of the water a couple of years ago, I found the larger towns and cities very walkable. Probably because they tend to be in grids, there usually isn't much reason to cross except at intersections. Roads are wider so th ecrossing time requires larger gaps between vehicles but, compared to the UK, intersections with sidewalks are better marked and, unlike the UK, drivers give way when turning. The drivers and riders of motor vehicles - and cyclists - are obliged to give way to pedestrians crossing any road into which they are turning in both the UK and the USA. The American right (in most places) to turn right against a red traffic light does not undermine that. |
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Interesting Article On How Cars Took Over the Road
On 30/08/18 14:25, JNugent wrote:
On 30/08/2018 00:19, TMS320 wrote: On 29/08/18 20:56, Bret Cahill wrote: This 4 year old article finally appeared in the U. S. media with little attempt to hide the plagiarism: https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-26073797 Visiting your side of the water a couple of years ago, I found the larger towns and cities very walkable. Probably because they tend to be in grids, there usually isn't much reason to cross except at intersections. Roads are wider so th ecrossing time requires larger gaps between vehicles but, compared to the UK, intersections with sidewalks are better marked and, unlike the UK, drivers give way when turning. The drivers and riders of motor vehicles - and cyclists - are obliged to give way to pedestrians crossing any road into which they are turning in both the UK and the USA. The American right (in most places) to turn right against a red traffic light does not undermine that. Obligation and practice are not necessarily the same thing. |
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Interesting Article On How Cars Took Over the Road
On 30/08/2018 15:20, TMS320 wrote:
On 30/08/18 14:25, JNugent wrote: On 30/08/2018 00:19, TMS320 wrote: On 29/08/18 20:56, Bret Cahill wrote: This 4 year old article finally appeared in the U. S. media with little attempt to hide the plagiarism: https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-26073797 Visiting your side of the water a couple of years ago, I found the larger towns and cities very walkable. Probably because they tend to be in grids, there usually isn't much reason to cross except at intersections. Roads are wider so th ecrossing time requires larger gaps between vehicles but, compared to the UK, intersections with sidewalks are better marked and, unlike the UK, drivers give way when turning. The drivers and riders of motor vehicles - and cyclists - are obliged to give way to pedestrians crossing any road into which they are turning in both the UK and the USA. The American right (in most places) to turn right against a red traffic light does not undermine that. Obligation and practice are not necessarily the same thing. My observed experience is clearly different from yours. Drivers in the UK and the USA do generally give way where they are supposed to, subject always to the fact that a small minority either flout the law or are ignorant of it. If only one could say the same of cyclists, the majority of whom appear oblivious to this and most other traffic rules (that's putting it charitably). |
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Interesting Article On How Cars Took Over the Road
On 30/08/18 19:32, JNugent wrote:
On 30/08/2018 15:20, TMS320 wrote: On 30/08/18 14:25, JNugent wrote: On 30/08/2018 00:19, TMS320 wrote: On 29/08/18 20:56, Bret Cahill wrote: This 4 year old article finally appeared in the U. S. media with little attempt to hide the plagiarism: https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-26073797 Visiting your side of the water a couple of years ago, I found the larger towns and cities very walkable. Probably because they tend to be in grids, there usually isn't much reason to cross except at intersections. Roads are wider so th ecrossing time requires larger gaps between vehicles but, compared to the UK, intersections with sidewalks are better marked and, unlike the UK, drivers give way when turning. The drivers and riders of motor vehicles - and cyclists - are obliged to give way to pedestrians crossing any road into which they are turning in both the UK and the USA. The American right (in most places) to turn right against a red traffic light does not undermine that. Obligation and practice are not necessarily the same thing. My observed experience is clearly different from yours. Drivers in the UK and the USA do generally give way where they are supposed to, subject always to the fact that a small minority either flout the law or are ignorant of it. If only one could say the same of cyclists, the majority of whom appear oblivious to this and most other traffic rules (that's putting it charitably). Since you don't walk far how would you know? |
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Interesting Article On How Cars Took Over the Road
On 30/08/2018 21:29, TMS320 wrote:
On 30/08/18 19:32, JNugent wrote: On 30/08/2018 15:20, TMS320 wrote: On 30/08/18 14:25, JNugent wrote: On 30/08/2018 00:19, TMS320 wrote: On 29/08/18 20:56, Bret Cahill wrote: This 4 year old article finally appeared in the U. S. media with little attempt to hide the plagiarism: https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-26073797 Visiting your side of the water a couple of years ago, I found the larger towns and cities very walkable. Probably because they tend to be in grids, there usually isn't much reason to cross except at intersections. Roads are wider so th ecrossing time requires larger gaps between vehicles but, compared to the UK, intersections with sidewalks are better marked and, unlike the UK, drivers give way when turning. The drivers and riders of motor vehicles - and cyclists - are obliged to give way to pedestrians crossing any road into which they are turning in both the UK and the USA. The American right (in most places) to turn right against a red traffic light does not undermine that. Obligation and practice are not necessarily the same thing. My observed experience is clearly different from yours. Drivers in the UK and the USA do generally give way where they are supposed to, subject always to the fact that a small minority either flout the law or are ignorant of it. If only one could say the same of cyclists, the majority of whom appear oblivious to this and most other traffic rules (that's putting it charitably). Since you don't walk far how would you know? What? |
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Interesting Article On How Cars Took Over the Road
On 31/08/18 00:06, JNugent wrote:
On 30/08/2018 21:29, TMS320 wrote: On 30/08/18 19:32, JNugent wrote: On 30/08/2018 15:20, TMS320 wrote: On 30/08/18 14:25, JNugent wrote: On 30/08/2018 00:19, TMS320 wrote: On 29/08/18 20:56, Bret Cahill wrote: This 4 year old article finally appeared in the U. S. media with little attempt to hide the plagiarism: https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-26073797 Visiting your side of the water a couple of years ago, I found the larger towns and cities very walkable. Probably because they tend to be in grids, there usually isn't much reason to cross except at intersections. Roads are wider so th ecrossing time requires larger gaps between vehicles but, compared to the UK, intersections with sidewalks are better marked and, unlike the UK, drivers give way when turning. The drivers and riders of motor vehicles - and cyclists - are obliged to give way to pedestrians crossing any road into which they are turning in both the UK and the USA. The American right (in most places) to turn right against a red traffic light does not undermine that. Obligation and practice are not necessarily the same thing. My observed experience is clearly different from yours. Drivers in the UK and the USA do generally give way where they are supposed to, subject always to the fact that a small minority either flout the law or are ignorant of it. If only one could say the same of cyclists, the majority of whom appear oblivious to this and most other traffic rules (that's putting it charitably). Since you don't walk far how would you know? What? Perhaps an internet translation helps... Since yous dun corky and chalk dead far 'ow would ye nah? |
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Interesting Article On How Cars Took Over the Road
On 31/08/2018 10:37, TMS320 wrote:
On 31/08/18 00:06, JNugent wrote: On 30/08/2018 21:29, TMS320 wrote: On 30/08/18 19:32, JNugent wrote: On 30/08/2018 15:20, TMS320 wrote: On 30/08/18 14:25, JNugent wrote: On 30/08/2018 00:19, TMS320 wrote: On 29/08/18 20:56, Bret Cahill wrote: This 4 year old article finally appeared in the U. S. media with little attempt to hide the plagiarism: https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-26073797 Visiting your side of the water a couple of years ago, I found the larger towns and cities very walkable. Probably because they tend to be in grids, there usually isn't much reason to cross except at intersections. Roads are wider so th ecrossing time requires larger gaps between vehicles but, compared to the UK, intersections with sidewalks are better marked and, unlike the UK, drivers give way when turning. The drivers and riders of motor vehicles - and cyclists - are obliged to give way to pedestrians crossing any road into which they are turning in both the UK and the USA. The American right (in most places) to turn right against a red traffic light does not undermine that. Obligation and practice are not necessarily the same thing. My observed experience is clearly different from yours. Drivers in the UK and the USA do generally give way where they are supposed to, subject always to the fact that a small minority either flout the law or are ignorant of it. If only one could say the same of cyclists, the majority of whom appear oblivious to this and most other traffic rules (that's putting it charitably). Since you don't walk far how would you know? What? Perhaps an internet translation helps... Since yous dun corky and chalk dead far 'ow would ye nah? You get more weird with every post, it seems. |
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Interesting Article On How Cars Took Over the Road
"JNugent" wrote in message
... The drivers and riders of motor vehicles - and cyclists - are obliged to give way to pedestrians crossing any road into which they are turning in both the UK and the USA. Being obliged to give way to pedestrians who are actually crossing (ie they're already in the road) makes a lot of sense, on a best-endeavours basis if not a legal obligation, just as you would do you best to avoid someone crossing anywhere else. But does UK and US law actually require you to stop for someone who is waiting on the pavement to cross: is there a portion of every road junction which has *implicit* zebra-crossing rules? As a pedestrian, I would never step off the pavement unless I could see that the road was clear: I would never *make* a car stop for me with the single exception of a zebra crossing. |
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