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Gold Rush (or Ti Rush) v. Bacchetta Aero
Originally posted by Don Please note that as a member of the Bacchetta
Yahoo group, I know some of the Stradas and Corsas (and probably some Giros) were sold to make room and $$$$ for Aeros. Lots of Bacchetta riders were so pleased they decided to upgrade. Not unlike TE/GRR riders selling to finance a Ti-Rush. Don't put a lot of significance on bikes being sold. And remember, some people are never happy and have to keep moving on. They are also not the perfect bike for everyone so there will always be some selling.] I never inferred there was any significance other than the fact that some used Bacchettas were showing up on the marketplace. I was actually ageeing with EZ Biker's observation that most used Bacchettas seemed to be Stradas. As I replied to PJ, I'm sure some Stradas are sold to move up to Aeros but as you said yourself, some are sold for other reasons as is probably every other brand of bike. Certainly, there have been some Bacchetta owners that bought a Strada, perhaps a bit taken in by some of the hype, found that it did not suit them for some reason, and consequently sold it. Again, this will happen with any new model bent, and is no reflection on any negatives of Bacchetta bikes. Harry -- -------------------------- Posted via cyclingforums.com http://www.cyclingforums.com |
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Gold Rush (or Ti Rush) v. Bacchetta Aero
Robert,
I miss it but I could not ride it anymore. The Tour Easy was just more fun, more comfortable and more fast. Andy "Robert Siegel" wrote in message ... Same as yours ... but I still miss the P-38's speed and feeling of lightness, especially up hills. It provided an excellent "fit" for my body. However, I found it impossible to switch back and forth from one to the other and concluded the GRR design was "best" for me. I still miss the P-38 though. "Andy" wrote in message ... Dear Gator Bob, Interesting. Years ago (1997?) I bought a P-38 as I thought it would be better than my Tour Easy. Every day for a season, I rode a different bike until fall. By then I could not get myself to ride the P-38 any longer, I just liked riding the TE much better. (Of course, I know someone who likes his P-38 much better than his Gold Rush.) What was your experience changing from the P-38 to the Ti Rush. Andy "Robert Siegel" wrote in message ... Don't have an Aero but I had the same experience going from a P-38 Xt to a Ti Rush. "Andy" wrote in message ... Gator Bob, Did you have the same experience with the Ti Rush and the Aero as EZ? Andy "Robert Siegel" wrote in message ... Rarely in my experience does a two recumbent owner ride his/her two different bikes on an equal time basis. Long term, only one wins out and gets ridden. Sorry EZ, I told you so .... -)) Gator Bob Siegel "EZ Biker :-)" wrote Hello Andy, I'm one of THOSE that has both a GRR Ti and Aero. (Owned a Rotator Pursuit Ti too) Both are wonderful bikes ....I honestly prefer my Aero over my GRR Ti, for the sheer less weight factor, better speed |
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"EZ Biker :-)" wrote: Hello Andy, I'm one of THOSE that has both a GRR Ti and Aero. (Owned a Rotator Pursuit Ti too) Both are wonderful bikes and cater to similar philosophies, pertaining to start off speed, stability, over all speed and climbing. My Aero seems to have a quicker ability to get up to speed than my GRR Ti and it (Aero) seems to be a better climber on at least the mo-hills down here in South Florida. Of course my Aero is about 22.5 lbs vs. my GRR Ti that's 32 lbs w/ fairing and rear aero bag. Both offer stability at speed, with the Aero probably a tad better, due to the same wheel size. (IMHO) In head winds, it's clearly NO CONTEST! The Aero knifes through the wind, while the Faired GRR Ti, is significantly taxed and slower, due to the wind resistance hitting the fairing. (And all these years I thought a fairing was suppose to make you more aerodynamically fluid flow through head winds. NOT TRUE, in my personal experience) It's like a large hand, pressing on your fairing, holding you back. A body sock might make a difference; (OK Thomas Sherman, are you HAPPY, now that I've admitted that?) but I've never tried one.... EZ, Saying a bodysock MIGHT make a difference is not really admitting anything, is it? In my experience, the performance increase from putting a bodysock on a front-faired RANS "Wavewind" was not subtle. I was even significantly faster up small hills due to the aerodynamic advantage. There is someone (who shall remain anonymous unless he wishes to reveal himself) who made the mistake of buying his wife a bodysock for her GRR, therefore making it hard for him to keep up. Tom Sherman - Near the confluence of the Mississippi and Rock Rivers |
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mike s wrote: "EZ Biker :-\)" wrote in message news:o7Bcb.574519$Ho3.106642@sccrnsc03... Thanks Jude! Just what I was going to say... Grin I think the appeal of Bacchetta's is that they truly are an enthusiast kind of bike. Disclaimer: My opinion only. I think Bacchettas are still in their honeymoon phase. Concluding their second year they are still the new kid on the block as concerns performance oriented recumbents. More and more you see them turning up used. When they first came out the impression was they were the panacea for all that ails you. I have never felt comfortable on the bike. It just doesn't fit me well. On the other hand I can't say enough good things about the Barcroft Virginia, especially with the carbon fiber seat (I had adapted, now the company offers them). Not only is performance based in large part on the engine, but the desirability of the bike is also determined by how the engine feels riding it. That's why we have so many options. No question the high racers are fast. But they tend to be less manuverable at slower speeds than their 26/20 cousins. I think you could put the Volaes, Bacchettas, Barcrofts (to mention three) into a category and whichever you picked would be a fine bicycle. My Virginia is fast, stable, manuverable and comfortable. It provides me the level of comfort and performance that the high racers can't provide for me. I would take it over a high racer in a heartbeat. Others will have a different opinion. Individual preference rules. There is no universal solution. Upcoming might be a nice compromise, Bacchetta's titanium 26/20 model. That tends to narrow the design gap between the two styles. Sigh, another choice. Mike, What you really need is a Sunset. Tom Sherman - Near the confluence of the Mississippi and Rock Rivers |
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As is normal with benters and most everyone that is heavily involved with
cycling for one reason or another......we all have our preferences. This ranges from frame material to brake shoes. Experiences good and bad with specific bents and components vary as much as personalities. There are and will be varied reasons why one chooses to change bents upgrade being one high BB intolerance or low BB intolerance for that matter. The aforementioned being more prevalent than the latter...Some will sacrifice some comfort for speed....some are less weight conscious. Some love the Tweener bar some hate it, same goes for the RANS praying hamster or USS for that matter. I had a customer who rides a Haluzak Horizon (5 years) who took all three Bacchettas for a ride and said " I really like these bikes..I'll be back" Any bent can have a quirk that puts it on the sale bloc....As was said before... its most often not an indication of mass disenchantment -- Jude....///Bacchetta AERO St. Michaels and Tilghman Island.. Maryland Wheel Doctor Cycle and Sports, Inc 1-800-586-6645 "harryo" wrote in message ... Originally posted by Don Please note that as a member of the Bacchetta Yahoo group, I know some of the Stradas and Corsas (and probably some Giros) were sold to make room and $$$$ for Aeros. Lots of Bacchetta riders were so pleased they decided to upgrade. Not unlike TE/GRR riders selling to finance a Ti-Rush. Don't put a lot of significance on bikes being sold. And remember, some people are never happy and have to keep moving on. They are also not the perfect bike for everyone so there will always be some selling.] I never inferred there was any significance other than the fact that some used Bacchettas were showing up on the marketplace. I was actually ageeing with EZ Biker's observation that most used Bacchettas seemed to be Stradas. As I replied to PJ, I'm sure some Stradas are sold to move up to Aeros but as you said yourself, some are sold for other reasons as is probably every other brand of bike. Certainly, there have been some Bacchetta owners that bought a Strada, perhaps a bit taken in by some of the hype, found that it did not suit them for some reason, and consequently sold it. Again, this will happen with any new model bent, and is no reflection on any negatives of Bacchetta bikes. Harry -- -------------------------- Posted via cyclingforums.com http://www.cyclingforums.com |
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WELL Tom, I don't need to worry about any body sock, aero bag or other
bicycle additive, now that I've moved onto my Aero. Simple design, easy to clean and fast enough to suit my needs. Life is GOOD! EZ Biker :-) Pompano Beach, Fl. (Bacchetta Aero Pilot) "Tom Sherman" wrote in message ... There is someone (who shall remain anonymous unless he wishes to reveal himself) who made the mistake of buying his wife a bodysock for her GRR, |
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"EZ Biker :-)" skrev... WELL Tom, I don't need to worry about any body sock, aero bag or other bicycle additive, now that I've moved onto my Aero. Simple design, easy to clean and fast enough to suit my needs. Life is GOOD! "Ah but you would be faster with a tailfairing on it", the voice of temptation whispered. ;-) M. |
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Maybe, but my Bacchetta bag works just fine.
EZ Biker :-) Pompano Beach, Fl. (Bacchetta Aero Pilot) "Mikael Seierup" wrote in message ... "EZ Biker :-)" skrev... WELL Tom, I don't need to worry about any body sock, aero bag or other bicycle additive, now that I've moved onto my Aero. Simple design, easy to clean and fast enough to suit my needs. Life is GOOD! "Ah but you would be faster with a tailfairing on it", the voice of temptation whispered. ;-) M. |
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Gold Rush (or Ti Rush) v. Bacchetta Aero
"Jude T. McGloin" wrote in message ...
Any bent can have a quirk that puts it on the sale bloc....As was said before... its most often not an indication of mass disenchantment Agreed, but owner disenchantment is one reason for selling a bike and I would imagine some Bacchettas have been sold for this reason. The Bacchetta frenzy is unlike anything I have seen seen in the 4 years i have been bent and I have heard some Bacchetta owners make some outlandish speed claims. Some have claimed that a Bacchetta instantly made them 2-5 mph faster and some claim to routinely ride at 25-30 mph. I remember one owner who claimed he was out of shape and fat but as soon as he bought an Aero, he was passing buffed triatheletes, on high end DFs, when climbing hills. As we know, the anonymity of the internet sometimes leads to some exaggerated claims and some Bacchetta owners are not immune to this. Some people have undoubtedly been caught up in this hype and purchased a Bacchetta, only to find it didn't make them an instant speed demon because of some of the other bike to rider incompatabilities that you mentioned or the simple fact that they don't have the heart, lungs and legs to realize the potential of the bike. Certainly some of these owners have resold their bikes. Owner disenchantment happens for any brand and model of bike and it would be naive to think Bacchetta bikes would be immune to it. Harry |
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Gold Rush (or Ti Rush) v. Bacchetta Aero
Harry, Lance Armstrong BEGGED me to SLOW down on my Aero, as I was whipping
him silly in a recent bike event... ;-) Grin BUT actually you are right on about your post. I thought I'd be faithful to my GRR Ti forever, but now I may have a buyer for it. (Breaking my solemn oath NEVER to part with it) It's not that I'm specifically disenchanted with my GRR Ti, but it's the additional fairing part, that I've fallen out of Love for. I like being able to put JUST MY BIKE in the vehicle, without having to remove any fairing or additional parts. Plus having the bod be in an aerodynamic laid back position, seems to work better for me, than hiding behind a HEAVY bubble. EZ Biker :-) Pompano Beach, Fl. Bacchetta Aero Pilot) "harryo" wrote in message m... Owner disenchantment happens for any brand and model of bike and it would be naive to think Bacchetta bikes would be immune to it. Harry |
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