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Work is work. Some are just not lazy and like to keep their drivetrain running top notch. It's not that hard to wash the chain once or twice a week - let alone, learn some bike maintenance while cleaning and lubricating a chain. One can start looking at other things like rim wear, brake pads wearing, that salty or nasty stuff on the spokes, grit on the frame, rusty cables, etc.
On Tuesday, November 20, 2018 at 2:39:00 PM UTC-6, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 11/20/2018 12:28 PM, wrote: Why not just get something easier: https://www.ernestolube.com/buy Because I believe that if you examine the total work required, it won't be easier. BTW, I think posts that are blatantly advertising should be labeled as such. -- - Frank Krygowski |
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On Tue, 20 Nov 2018 09:28:48 -0800 (PST),
wrote: Because I read the advertisements at your site and it sounds like "snake oil" to me. https://tinyurl.com/y9jxdhu3 "Snake Oil" - "comes from the 19th-century American practice of selling cure-all elixirs in traveling medicine shows. Snake oil salesmen would falsely claim that the potions would cure any ailments." cheers, John B. |
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On 11/19/2018 12:06 PM, wrote:
On Monday, November 19, 2018 at 9:45:31 AM UTC-8, sms wrote: On 11/19/2018 8:56 AM, wrote: snip "The “King of Lubes” has three chain lubes: The EXTREME, ABSOLUTE DRY, and GOLD. All three are formulated to clean and lube at the same time when applied. " Not sure if I believe this. It's like combined shampoo and conditioner. I suppose that I'll continue with the old-school method of cleaning a chain with petroleum based solvent and then lubricating it with chain lube. With a chain cleaner, I can clean a chain five minutes or so and then recycle dirty solvent. Well, I didn't believe it either but after trying it, it appears to work pretty well but you're wiping off the chain for a long time after using the stuff. The issue is that it takes several solvent changes before the solvent runs clean. From my web site on chain cleaning and lubrication: Why is this method the best? 1. The links are in motion as the pass through the solvent, with the rollers spinning and the links flexing. You cannot obtain this sort of link action with the chain off the bike in a bottle of solvent, or in a parts cleaner. As Sheldon Brown writes, "The on-the-bike system has the advantage that the cleaning machine flexes the links and spins the rollers. This scrubbing action may do a better job of cleaning the innards." 2. The chain gets cleaner with each repetition of the process, with the dirty solvent removed, the contaminants don't remain in the process. 3.Solvents such as kerosene do not leave rust-causing moisture in the chain like water-based solvents do. 4. Keeping the chain on the bicycle eliminates weakening the chain by rivet extraction. As Sheldon Brown writes, "...modern chains have rivets that are tighter fitting into the chain plates. The new rivets are difficult to remove and reinstall without damaging either the rivet or the side plate." 5. It requires very little time. 6. The Chain Master avoids spattering solvent on the wheel and tire. |
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On Tue, 20 Nov 2018 15:50:11 -0800, sms
wrote: On 11/19/2018 12:06 PM, wrote: On Monday, November 19, 2018 at 9:45:31 AM UTC-8, sms wrote: On 11/19/2018 8:56 AM, wrote: snip "The “King of Lubes” has three chain lubes: The EXTREME, ABSOLUTE DRY, and GOLD. All three are formulated to clean and lube at the same time when applied. " Not sure if I believe this. It's like combined shampoo and conditioner. I suppose that I'll continue with the old-school method of cleaning a chain with petroleum based solvent and then lubricating it with chain lube. With a chain cleaner, I can clean a chain five minutes or so and then recycle dirty solvent. Well, I didn't believe it either but after trying it, it appears to work pretty well but you're wiping off the chain for a long time after using the stuff. The issue is that it takes several solvent changes before the solvent runs clean. From my web site on chain cleaning and lubrication: Why is this method the best? 1. The links are in motion as the pass through the solvent, with the rollers spinning and the links flexing. You cannot obtain this sort of link action with the chain off the bike in a bottle of solvent, or in a parts cleaner. As Sheldon Brown writes, "The on-the-bike system has the advantage that the cleaning machine flexes the links and spins the rollers. This scrubbing action may do a better job of cleaning the innards." 2. The chain gets cleaner with each repetition of the process, with the dirty solvent removed, the contaminants don't remain in the process. 3.Solvents such as kerosene do not leave rust-causing moisture in the chain like water-based solvents do. 4. Keeping the chain on the bicycle eliminates weakening the chain by rivet extraction. As Sheldon Brown writes, "...modern chains have rivets that are tighter fitting into the chain plates. The new rivets are difficult to remove and reinstall without damaging either the rivet or the side plate." 5. It requires very little time. 6. The Chain Master avoids spattering solvent on the wheel and tire. I'm sorry to say but "From my web site" is not a valid reference. It simply illustrates one of the many illusions that you, and perhaps some others experience. (valid - well grounded in logic or truth) cheers, John B. |
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wrote:
Work is work. Some are just not lazy and like to keep their drivetrain running top notch. It's not that hard to wash the chain once or twice a week - let alone, learn some bike maintenance while cleaning and lubricating a chain. One can start looking at other things like rim wear, brake pads wearing, that salty or nasty stuff on the spokes, grit on the frame, rusty cables, etc. On Tuesday, November 20, 2018 at 2:39:00 PM UTC-6, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 11/20/2018 12:28 PM, wrote: Why not just get something easier: https://www.ernestolube.com/buy Because I believe that if you examine the total work required, it won't be easier. BTW, I think posts that are blatantly advertising should be labeled as such. -- - Frank Krygowski Wash my chain twice a week? No thanks. This is the 21st century. I don't want my bike maintenance to look like a page out of a 1950's British sports car manual. |
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John B. slocomb wrote:
On Tue, 20 Nov 2018 12:42:07 -0800 (PST), wrote: snip As for bike maintenance? Well I learned that when I was 12 years old and got my first (second hand) bike. cheers, John B. Sure like most people here. Except I was maybe 8 or 9. But if I used the same maintenance procedures on my 11 speed double as I did on my first bike I’d be buying a lot of chains and cassettes. -- duane |
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No snakes were hurt. On Tuesday, November 20, 2018 at 5:11:43 PM UTC-6, John B. slocomb wrote:
On Tue, 20 Nov 2018 09:28:48 -0800 (PST), wrote: Because I read the advertisements at your site and it sounds like "snake oil" to me. https://tinyurl.com/y9jxdhu3 "Snake Oil" - "comes from the 19th-century American practice of selling cure-all elixirs in traveling medicine shows. Snake oil salesmen would falsely claim that the potions would cure any ailments." cheers, John B. |
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On Tuesday, November 20, 2018 at 7:34:35 PM UTC-6, Ralph Barone wrote:
wrote: Work is work. Some are just not lazy and like to keep their drivetrain running top notch. It's not that hard to wash the chain once or twice a week - let alone, learn some bike maintenance while cleaning and lubricating a chain. One can start looking at other things like rim wear, brake pads wearing, that salty or nasty stuff on the spokes, grit on the frame, rusty cables, etc. On Tuesday, November 20, 2018 at 2:39:00 PM UTC-6, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 11/20/2018 12:28 PM, wrote: Why not just get something easier: https://www.ernestolube.com/buy Because I believe that if you examine the total work required, it won't be easier. BTW, I think posts that are blatantly advertising should be labeled as such. -- - Frank Krygowski Wash my chain twice a week? No thanks. This is the 21st century. I don't want my bike maintenance to look like a page out of a 1950's British sports car manual. I am speaking from experience, riding in salty road environment. If I lived in a dryer climate, thats different story. In non-salty months I lube the chain once I start hearing a different tone. But right now, with the salt on the road and bike paths, I'm more comfortable cleaning it and keeping it smooth. When I hear other riders with squeaky chains. Makes me cringe. I just want to pull them aside so I can do an emergency vasectomy... I mean, emergency bike chain lube'ing. |
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