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.... Dr Dorothy Robinson's concern, instead, is bicycle safety. She has
just published a study in the Health Promotion Journal of Australia that is likely to send shock waves through Australian cycling communities with its claim that mandatory bicycle helmet laws increase rather than decrease the likelihood of injuries to cyclists. http://melbourne.citysearch.com.au/profile?id=53571 Personally I'd still use a helmet in winter 'cause it's a handy place to put lights :-) Summer I'd leave the lid behind and wear a sun hat. -- Cheers | ~~ __@ Euan | ~~ _-\, Melbourne, Australia | ~ (*)/ (*) |
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By the same genius stroke of logic, higher fuel prices will also resul in safer cyclists BUT IN A TWOFOLD APPROACH. MORE +++ BETTER++ 1) less car on the road because people cant afford the fuel 2) more cyclists, because people cant afford to drive I think we should all petition out local member for $2/l for unleaded and $3/1 for premium. Should we crosspost this one to aus.cars to retur the recent favours^H^H^Htrolls til -- till! |
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"Euan" wrote in message ... ... Dr Dorothy Robinson's concern, instead, is bicycle safety. She has just published a study in the Health Promotion Journal of Australia that is likely to send shock waves through Australian cycling communities with its claim that mandatory bicycle helmet laws increase rather than decrease the likelihood of injuries to cyclists. http://melbourne.citysearch.com.au/profile?id=53571 Personally I'd still use a helmet in winter 'cause it's a handy place to put lights :-) Summer I'd leave the lid behind and wear a sun hat. -- Cheers | ~~ __@ Euan | ~~ _-\, Melbourne, Australia | ~ (*)/ (*) That article is a load of ****. * start with some stats (uncited) and draw a reasonable correlation between cyclist numbers and injuries "the more cyclists there are, the more motorists are aware of them and the more carefully they drive" * and then drive to a conclusion that helmet legislation is the cause (shouldn't it be the motorists not being careful enough) The only link is that mandatory wearing of helmets, at one point in time, discouraged cyclists, reducing cyclist numbers. I think everyone is over that by now - does it really discourage anyone anymore? Wearing helmets, or not, has nothing to do directly with the actual incidence of accidents, according to the research it is the number of cyclists. But wearing helmets can impact outcomes. These however would not be identifiable in statistics because the number of deaths, while being too high already, is to low in Australia to draw real conclusions. The follow up claim on helmet effectiveness is apparently not supported with any particular research, it is only an opinion: "bike helmets are designed for bicycle-ground and bicycle-bicycle collisions rather than motor vehicle accidents, and are therefore ineffective in preventing serious brain injuries in such cases". More effective than skin and bones alone. Everyone do what they want, legally or otherwise, I will continue to wear a helmet that may save my life. |
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That article is a load of ****. * start with some stats (uncited) and draw a reasonable correlation between cyclist numbers and injuries "the more cyclists there are, the more motorists are aware of them and the more carefully they drive" * and then drive to a conclusion that helmet legislation is the cause (shouldn't it be the motorists not being careful enough) The only link is that mandatory wearing of helmets, at one point in time, discouraged cyclists, reducing cyclist numbers. I think everyone is over that by now - does it really discourage anyone anymore? I've been wearing a helmet since about 1979 but I did notice a considerable drop in cycling numbers in Mackay after the mandatory use was enforced. Prior to enforcement of the law, around one in ten cyclists here wore a helmet (initially in Queensland it was a legal requirement to wear a helmet but there was no fine if you didn't). To me, that indicates reluctance from most cyclists. I still haven't seen the number of cyclists return to pre-helmet proportions. The law has been enforced very strongly in Mackay, in fact there is no traffic law that is more heavily enforced here. One issue that has come up recently here is that schools are banning kids from wearing caps under their helmets. Aparently they don't want kids bringing caps to school. So under the North Qld sun (which is intense), wearing a helmet rather than a shady hat can be very uncomfortable. P -- Peter McCallum Mackay Qld AUSTRALIA |
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What? Banning kids from wearing cycling caps at school? What's the purpose of that. You can't ban an idea. If you start doing picky things like that on the off chance it might lead to wearing a cap in school, that would only increase the tension among the youngsters and promote even more civil disobedience, imo. What about wearing a lycra skull cap? Are they gonna ban those too? You can stuff 'em in your pocket. Hell they probably think that a skull cap is even worse than a little cycling cap, which is more 'dork' than 'outlaw', for most people's taste... -Wheels At my daughter's school there's a policy that students must wear the correct coloured shoelaces, and it's strictly enforced. Obviously shoelace colour has some bearing on educational outcomes. P -- Peter McCallum Mackay Qld AUSTRALIA |
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Peter McCallum wrote:
At my daughter's school there's a policy that students must wear the correct coloured shoelaces, and it's strictly enforced. Obviously shoelace colour has some bearing on educational outcomes. Yes, Peter it does. {:-) By enforcing conformity and brain numbing, your daughter is given the best chance of being a counter bunny, or burger flipper at Maccas when she finishes school. This increase the percentage of students that get jobs after school, which increases the educational standing of her educational institution (from reading the latest rating system results). |
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Peter McCallum Wrote: At my daughter's school there's a policy that students must wear the correct coloured shoelaces, and it's strictly enforced. Obviously shoelace colour has some bearing on educational outcomes. P -- Peter McCallum Mackay Qld AUSTRALIA bwahahahah. opened up The Age today to discover my eldests' propose highschool is introducing tie and Blazer. Daughter's response... "Can i burn it? -- flyingdutch |
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"Bob" == Bob writes:
Bob That article is a load of ****. It's a magazine article, not an academic study. Take it for what it is. Bob * start with some stats (uncited) and draw a reasonable Bob correlation between cyclist numbers and injuries "the more Bob cyclists there are, the more motorists are aware of them and Bob the more carefully they drive" * and then drive to a conclusion Bob that helmet legislation is the cause (shouldn't it be the Bob motorists not being careful enough) A bit of a long bow. There's nothing new in this article and it can all be traced to peer reviewed scientific papers if you're willing to expend the effort. Bob The only link is that mandatory wearing of helmets, at one Bob point in time, discouraged cyclists, reducing cyclist Bob numbers. I think everyone is over that by now - does it really Bob discourage anyone anymore? Absolutely. It's a hot and smelly inconvenience which is off-putting to the fashion conscious. It's a bit of baggage that you need to lug around and there is no proof that helmets provide any benefit whereas there is substantial proof that helmets are detrimental. Bob Wearing helmets, or not, has nothing to do directly with the Bob actual incidence of accidents, according to the research it is Bob the number of cyclists. And requiring helmets directly impacts on the number of cyclists out there. Of do you think the 30% drop in cycling when helmet compulsion came about is purely incidental? Bob But wearing helmets can impact outcomes. These however would Bob not be identifiable in statistics because the number of deaths, Bob while being too high already, is to low in Australia to draw Bob real conclusions. There is no proof that helmets are beneficial. It is a fact that in every country that has helmet compulsion cycling has decreased significantly which has a far greater impact on cyclist safety. Bob The follow up claim on helmet effectiveness is apparently not Bob supported with any particular research, it is only an opinion: Bob "bike helmets are designed for bicycle-ground and Bob bicycle-bicycle collisions rather than motor vehicle accidents, Bob and are therefore ineffective in preventing serious brain Bob injuries in such cases". More effective than skin and bones Bob alone. No, that is the manufacturing standards that helmets have to comply with. There are no helmet standards for vehicle / bicycle collisions. Bob Everyone do what they want, legally or otherwise, I will Bob continue to wear a helmet that may save my life. That's a very big may. I prefer not to entrust my safety to what is essentially a piece of polystyrene designed to absorb the kinetic energy of a fall from head height. That's all it does. -- Cheers | ~~ __@ Euan | ~~ _-\, Melbourne, Australia | ~ (*)/ (*) |
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