BiGHA Comments

skip wrote:
"Larry Varney" wrote in message
...

My mistake - I thought you were referring to another book than the
one I had mentioned buying. At this point, not having read it, I don't
know if the answers you seek are in that book. It was written in 2001 -
this particular copy is a 4th edition, dated 2003, but I don't know if
additional information has been included in the book - so it might not
cover what Muslims are doing "these days to bind Muslims, Christians and
Jews together."
Of course, I do have to wonder, given the title of the book - and
according to some, the whole book is in the title - - it is possible
that this topic is not covered at all. The "false images" may not cover
trying to bind any religions together.



The quote I originally posted from "Silent No More - Confronting America's
False Images of Islam" is as follows:

"Most Americans have never read a verse from
the Qur'an, nor met a person they knew to be Muslim. Their distorted images
of Islam come from snippets of television news and headlines that falsely
link Islam with terrorism and the degradation of women. They have no
awareness of Islamic principles and beliefs-monotheism, peace, charity,
compassion, interfaith tolerance, women's rights-common principles that
should bind Muslims, Christians, and Jews together."

The subject is addressed in the book. I just wonder what Muslims are doing
these days to accomplish those worthy goals. I don't think he will be
quoting Arafat's wife saying she hates Jews and any normalization of
relations with them to illustrate his point.

I would like to hear your take on the book after you read it.

skip


I think you're misinterpreting the quote. Just as there are
"principles" that "bind" lots of groups and people - shared principles,
common ideas - that's not the same as actually binding together those
groups into one. Just as Democrats and Republicans can be said to share
some of the same ideas, I doubt if anyone is actively trying to "bind
together" the two parties into just one.
What I see that quote as saying is that, because of certain shared
ideas, those groups are already bound together - by those very shared
ideas. But bind them together totally, as in one group? Doubtful. They
share some ideas, but not all, and that will keep them separated.

--
Larry Varney
Cold Spring, KY
http://home.fuse.net/larryvarney

"Larry Varney" wrote in message
...
skip wrote:
"Tom Sherman" wrote in message
...

Larry Varney wrote:


Tom has no non-silly position on these issues. He's reduced to "Duct Tape
and Islam" type comments.

skip
skip wrote:


Perhaps Mr. Varney will give us a book report on what Muslims are

doing

these days to bind Muslims, Christians, and Jews together.

And what's the title of the book you wish me to report on?

"Duct Tape and Islam".

Tom Sherman - Planet Earth


I've noticed when Tom can no longer defend his position rationally he
most
often will fall back on silliness.

skip



I must have missed that - what is Tom's position regarding this book?
The non-silly position, that is.

--
Larry Varney
Cold Spring, KY
http://home.fuse.net/larryvarney

"Larry Varney" wrote in message
...

I think you're misinterpreting the quote. Just as there are
"principles" that "bind" lots of groups and people - shared principles,
common ideas - that's not the same as actually binding together those
groups into one. Just as Democrats and Republicans can be said to share
some of the same ideas, I doubt if anyone is actively trying to "bind
together" the two parties into just one.
What I see that quote as saying is that, because of certain shared
ideas, those groups are already bound together - by those very shared
ideas. But bind them together totally, as in one group? Doubtful. They
share some ideas, but not all, and that will keep them separated.

--
Larry Varney
Cold Spring, KY
http://home.fuse.net/larryvarney


Oh no. The one group idea wouldn't be my interpetation at all.

My question is how do current day Muslim beliefs and deeds relate to current
day Judeo-Christian shared beliefs and deeds in the areas of compassion,
peace, interfaith tolerance, women's rights, etc. What rationalizations
does the author use to convince us that Muslims can bind (whatever the
author means by the term) together with Christians and Jews concerning these
matters?

skip

skip wrote:
"Larry Varney" wrote in message
...

I think you're misinterpreting the quote. Just as there are
"principles" that "bind" lots of groups and people - shared principles,
common ideas - that's not the same as actually binding together those
groups into one. Just as Democrats and Republicans can be said to share
some of the same ideas, I doubt if anyone is actively trying to "bind
together" the two parties into just one.
What I see that quote as saying is that, because of certain shared
ideas, those groups are already bound together - by those very shared
ideas. But bind them together totally, as in one group? Doubtful. They
share some ideas, but not all, and that will keep them separated.

--
Larry Varney
Cold Spring, KY
http://home.fuse.net/larryvarney



Oh no. The one group idea wouldn't be my interpetation at all.

My question is how do current day Muslim beliefs and deeds relate to current
day Judeo-Christian shared beliefs and deeds in the areas of compassion,
peace, interfaith tolerance, women's rights, etc. What rationalizations
does the author use to convince us that Muslims can bind (whatever the
author means by the term) together with Christians and Jews concerning these
matters?

skip



See, there's the problem: just what *are* "current day Muslim beliefs
*and deeds*"? It's as much a mistake to say that the actions of a few
reflect the beliefs of the many.
Such as: is it the belief of Christians that doctors who perform
abortions should be killed? How about that demons inhabit the bodies of
people who won't behave, and that they should have them beaten out of them?
Just because someone says they are of a particular belief, it may be
that the actual writings and "offical" rules of that group do not
sancton those actions. So, I don't believe that all Christians are
guilty of murdering abortion doctors. Do you? And I don't believe that
all Christians support the idea of murdering abortion doctors. Do you?
Finally, it's not a matter of *can" the Muslims "bind together" with
Christians and Jews on certain matters - they already are! Check out the
writings in the various religious documents and see where they agree and
disagree. Don't fall for the idea that the murdering Christians, for
instance, are representative of the whole, and the same goes for Jews,
Muslims, Republicans, etc.

--
Larry Varney
Cold Spring, KY
http://home.fuse.net/larryvarney

Here's a quote from his book: "Most Americans have never read a verse from
the Qur'an, nor met a person they knew to be Muslim. Their distorted images
of Islam come from snippets of television news and headlines that falsely
link Islam with terrorism and the degradation of women. They have no
awareness of Islamic principles and beliefs-monotheism, peace, charity,
compassion, interfaith tolerance, women's rights-common principles that
should bind Muslims, Christians, and Jews together."

Perhaps Mr. Varney will give us a book report on what Muslims are doing
these days to bind Muslims, Christians, and Jews together.

Be sure to include what they are doing in the area peace, compassion,
interfaith tolerance, and women's rights.

I'm reminded of a young woman from our town who went to Afghanistan to work
and she happend to speak to a Muslim worman who asked about Christianity.
For this the American woman was arrested, jailed, and subjected to a death
sentence. She was rescued from her prison by our invading forces.

Muslim transgressions in all of these areas are gross and well documented.
I'll be interested to learn how Findley manages to rationalize their deeds
vs. their beliefs in these matters.

We have to deal with their deeds - not their Qur'an.

skip

The "common principles that bind Muslims, Christians and Jews
together" does not mean that Muslims are waging some kind of PR war
for unity. Rather, it refers to the fact that Muslims value these
principles.

As for the Taliban in Afghanistan, let us not forget that they
overthrew an already Muslim government to institute their own twisted
interpretation of things. It's not difficult to find Muslims all over
the world who oppose the Taliban and even the extremist doctrines
practiced in countries like Saudi Arabia.

Even in their own countries, these ideas are not popular. Most Saudis
do not agree with the laws that exist mainly to keep the Royals in
power. Protests regularly occur in countries like Turkey, Iran and
Jordan. And don't forget that the Taliban had to fight in a Civil War
for their very existence from the time they were in power until they
fell.

I suppose you also believe that women are less equal in Islam. This
could not be further from the truth. Even in such countries as Iran
and Saudi Arabia, women attend college and have careers. Women also
receive equal pay for equal work, something that is not acheived even
in America. A Muslim woman is the president of Indonesia. A Muslim
woman was president of Pakistan. Muslim women hold key government
positions in governments all over the world. The Qu'ran guaruntees
women the right to divorce and ensures them specific enheiritance
rights. But you think just because someone covers their hair (which
is usually choice, not law) they are oppressed?

And I'm sick of people saying Muslims are intolerant. There are an
estimated 20m Muslims in the U.S. When was the last time you saw a TV
commercial or a billboard encouraging you to convert to Islam? Where
have you seen a statue of Muhammad? When was the last time a Muslim
came to your door to convert you? When did you hear you'll go to hell
if you don't become a Muslim?

Christians do these things all the time, yet they're so full of love
and compassion and tolerance?? Give me a break and stop believing
everything you hear on the news. Things are newsworthy by definition
for being out of the ordinary.

Too bad many of us can't grasp this concept.

(Edward Dolan) wrote in message . com...
Larry Varney wrote in message ...

[...]

I'll be the first to admit that, as far as I know, I don't know any
Muslims. In this part of the country, we're always on the tail end of
any immigration. Maybe people are avoiding us because the last bunches
to come through were the Irish and the Germans!
But seriously, I picked up a book just yesterday that sounds like it
might be interesting: "Silent No More - Confronting America's False
Images of Islam" by Paul Findley.


From the title alone it sounds like a really bad book to me Mr.
Varney. All is not sweetness and light in the Muslim World. Other
books have been written which clearly show this. There was a Muslim
author on C-Span Book Notes not too long ago who lectured on the
Muslim religion and had some very interesting things to say about it.
He was totally disillusioned with the religion and pointed out many of
its very bad features. I wish I could remember the name of the book or
the name of its author so I could give it to you. It would REALLY open
your eyes. I do not think I would bother to read any book about Islam
that wants to make the case that it is a religion of peace and
freedom.

Ed Dolan - Minnesota

Give me the name of the book and I'll gladly read it. I don't find it
very helpful to censor myself from opposing views and ideas.
Oftentimes I've discovered my preconcieved notions are wrong. Have
you ever been wrong Mr Dolan?

Does it make life easier for you to blame everything wrong in the
world on Muslims?

Believe it or not, there are people just like you in the "Muslim
World." They watch TV and read the papers and believe every word
that's in them about how evil America and the West is. All Americans
are war-mongerers who think they own the world and dance like Britney
Spears on MTV in their free time.

Of course these ideas are silly, just like the silly ideas you have in
your head about Islam. But they still incite hatred so I guess they
meet their purposes. Just know that in the end, you're just another
sucker - not the genius you think you are.

Have you paid for "professional help?" Have you paid for prescription
anti-psychotic drugs? You continually recommend products that you've
not admitted to using yourself. Judging by your Bigha comments, that
is a big no-no in your book. So have you or have you not received
psychological assistance?

Please feel free to answer any one of the questions or even address
any of the many issues I've covered in the previous posts. It won't
kill you NOT to change the subject. The worst that can happen is
you'll look stupid, which wouldn't exactly be headline news, either.

What a sad pathetic little loser that finds it necessary to spew so many
lies. Lies that are in defence of a bike he will not ever buy and in
defence of someone who has committed identity theft. If you are trolling
for pity, you have it.

Is there anyone on this news group, who is not a known liar, who has
actually purchased a Bigha for the full $3000.00 price?

Lorenzo L. Love
http://home.thegrid.net/~lllove

"Man is a rational animal who always loses his temper when he is called
upon to act in accordance with the dictates of reason."
Oscar Wilde

Your lies have been exposed so many times, you've failed to answer so
many questions, that by now you have absolutely ZERO credibiltiy left.
For all we know, when you skeptically ask if anyone owns a Bigha, it
could be your way of admitting you ride one every day.

Lawrence Turner wrote:

Have you paid for "professional help?" Have you paid for prescription
anti-psychotic drugs? You continually recommend products that you've
not admitted to using yourself. Judging by your Bigha comments, that
is a big no-no in your book. So have you or have you not received
psychological assistance?

Please feel free to answer any one of the questions or even address
any of the many issues I've covered in the previous posts. It won't
kill you NOT to change the subject. The worst that can happen is
you'll look stupid, which wouldn't exactly be headline news, either.

What a sad pathetic little loser that finds it necessary to spew so many
lies. Lies that are in defence of a bike he will not ever buy and in
defence of someone who has committed identity theft. If you are trolling
for pity, you have it.

Is there anyone on this news group, who is not a known liar, who has
actually purchased a Bigha for the full $3000.00 price?

Lorenzo L. Love
http://home.thegrid.net/~lllove

"Man is a rational animal who always loses his temper when he is called
upon to act in accordance with the dictates of reason."
Oscar Wilde


Your lies have been exposed so many times, you've failed to answer so
many questions, that by now you have absolutely ZERO credibiltiy left.
For all we know, when you skeptically ask if anyone owns a Bigha, it
could be your way of admitting you ride one every day.

LIE:
11/18/03 11:46 PM
Lawrence Turner wrote:
Lorenzo, you've truly outdone yourself this time. You've stated that
Bigha is a piece of crap and it gets positive reviews. Then you say
it's overpriced and nobody in their right mind will buy it, and
somebody comes forward to say he owns one and it's worth every penny.

RESPONSE:
11/19/03 11:48 AM
Lorenzo L. Love wrote:
You are quite simply lying. I have never said that the Bigha was "a
piece of crap", in fact I have several times said it looked like a good
bike - if it was in the $1200 to $1500 price range of comparative bikes.
Every positive review posted has been by someone who was given a Bigha
for review for free. Give me any thing for free and I'll tell you it was
great for the price I paid. So far (excluding the attempts at deception)
we have heard from one single person who has said they have paid full
price, and he has declined to give any details about the bike or any
info about why he purchase a Bigha rather then a comparative bike at a
much cheaper price or a much higher performance bike at a comparative
price, other then he just likes it and thinks it's nice.

LIE:
11/19/03 5:47 PM
Lawrence Turner wrote:
Newsflash: product reviews are given by reporters who do not purchase
the product. A review by a customer wouldn't exactly be objective,
now would it?
Why don't you write to your favorite magazine or TV show and ask them
how many of their products they reviewed were actually paid for?

As for Mr Theismen (the Bigha owner), isn't having a "nice" bike that
he likes justification enough? He said he's tried other bents and did
not find them as nice as the Bigha. If you really wanted more
specifics you could have asked, but you failed to.

It seems to me Lorenzo L. Love, that you've just about run out of
circles.

RESPONSE:
11/19/03 6:18 PM
Lorenzo L. Love wrote:
Lying again. I asked the specific questions "Why did you decide to spend
that much when there are other much cheaper bikes that are in the same
class? In what way is this bike superior to similar but much less
expensive bikes? In what way is this bike the equal to similarly priced
but much higher performance bikes?" His answers were quite vague and
boil down to he just likes it better.

There seems to be no end to the lies Mr. Turner will spew to defend a
bicycle he himself does not deem worth purchasing. Is he counting on a
free review model?

Free review product placement is why most reviews are not worthwhile.
Only the few reviewers like the Consumers Union who pay full retail and
accept no advertising can be judged impartial and honest.

LIE:
11/19/03 11:10 PM
Lawrence Turner wrote:
Making no sense again. I thought he answered your question quite
nicely. If anything was vague, it was your question. If you wanted
technical details you could have asked a follow up. But you gave no
hint that you were not satisfied with his answer, seemingly because
somebody beat you at your own game by saying they paid full price for
a Bigha.

What confuses me is how you've stated many times people will defend
their purchases just to avoid looking bad, but now seem to think these
are the only objective reviews. And then a Bigha owner steps up to
give his opinion and you deem it worthless.

Mr Love seems to be talking out of several sides of the same mouth to
attack a bike he supposedly hasn't even seen. Why the vendetta? Is
he perhaps a disgruntled ex-Bigha employee?

RESPONSE:
11/20/03 9:44 AM
Lorenzo L. Love wrote:
Still lying. What kind of psychological problems compel people to
continually lie in support of a bicycle that they themselves would never
buy? Only someone who has paid full price for anything can determine if
it is worth the price. I have never said otherwise. In fact I have
several times said that reviews from people who get items for free have
little value. The one solitary person who has said they had bought a
Bigha seems to like it a lot, but he declines to gives any objective
details on why. Meanwhile, Mr. Turner, who will not buy a Bigha,
continues to defend this bicycle. What possible reason is there for
this? Is he really a Bigha employee? Or is he just another psycho?

I could go on and on. What a sad little man. Obviously incapable of
distinguishing his fantasies from reality.

By the way, this "TJ Theismen" who is the sole person who claimed to
have bought a Bigha (other then a poor attempt at deception by another
nutcase) is known to have committed identity theft and fraud by posting
under both the "TJ Theismen" identity and my name from his computer with
the static address 65.125.99.194 being the same in both messages. As
this demonstrates he is a liar and considering the very vague
explanations of why he purchased a Bigha, it has become very
questionable whether he has actually ever saw a Bigha, much less
purchased one.

Is there anyone on this news group, who is not a known liar, who has
actually purchased a Bigha for the full $3000.00 price?

Lorenzo L. Love
http://home.thegrid.net/~lllove

Main Entry: psy·cho·sis
Pronunciation: sI-'kO-s&s
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural psy·cho·ses /-"sEz/
Etymology: New Latin
Date: 1847
: fundamental mental derangement (as schizophrenia) characterized by
defective or lost contact with reality

© 1999 by Merriam-Webster, Incorporated

"Lorenzo L. Love" wrote in message hlink.net...
Lawrence Turner wrote:

Have you paid for "professional help?" Have you paid for prescription
anti-psychotic drugs? You continually recommend products that you've
not admitted to using yourself. Judging by your Bigha comments, that
is a big no-no in your book. So have you or have you not received
psychological assistance?

Please feel free to answer any one of the questions or even address
any of the many issues I've covered in the previous posts. It won't
kill you NOT to change the subject. The worst that can happen is
you'll look stupid, which wouldn't exactly be headline news, either.

What a sad pathetic little loser that finds it necessary to spew so many
lies. Lies that are in defence of a bike he will not ever buy and in
defence of someone who has committed identity theft. If you are trolling
for pity, you have it.

Is there anyone on this news group, who is not a known liar, who has
actually purchased a Bigha for the full $3000.00 price?

Lorenzo L. Love
http://home.thegrid.net/~lllove

"Man is a rational animal who always loses his temper when he is called
upon to act in accordance with the dictates of reason."
Oscar Wilde


Your lies have been exposed so many times, you've failed to answer so
many questions, that by now you have absolutely ZERO credibiltiy left.
For all we know, when you skeptically ask if anyone owns a Bigha, it
could be your way of admitting you ride one every day.

LIE:
11/18/03 11:46 PM
Lawrence Turner wrote:
Lorenzo, you've truly outdone yourself this time. You've stated that
Bigha is a piece of crap and it gets positive reviews. Then you say
it's overpriced and nobody in their right mind will buy it, and
somebody comes forward to say he owns one and it's worth every penny.

RESPONSE:
11/19/03 11:48 AM
Lorenzo L. Love wrote:
You are quite simply lying. I have never said that the Bigha was "a
piece of crap", in fact I have several times said it looked like a good
bike - if it was in the $1200 to $1500 price range of comparative bikes.
Every positive review posted has been by someone who was given a Bigha
for review for free. Give me any thing for free and I'll tell you it was
great for the price I paid. So far (excluding the attempts at deception)
we have heard from one single person who has said they have paid full
price, and he has declined to give any details about the bike or any
info about why he purchase a Bigha rather then a comparative bike at a
much cheaper price or a much higher performance bike at a comparative
price, other then he just likes it and thinks it's nice.

LIE:
11/19/03 5:47 PM
Lawrence Turner wrote:
Newsflash: product reviews are given by reporters who do not purchase
the product. A review by a customer wouldn't exactly be objective,
now would it?
Why don't you write to your favorite magazine or TV show and ask them
how many of their products they reviewed were actually paid for?

As for Mr Theismen (the Bigha owner), isn't having a "nice" bike that
he likes justification enough? He said he's tried other bents and did
not find them as nice as the Bigha. If you really wanted more
specifics you could have asked, but you failed to.

It seems to me Lorenzo L. Love, that you've just about run out of
circles.

RESPONSE:
11/19/03 6:18 PM
Lorenzo L. Love wrote:
Lying again. I asked the specific questions "Why did you decide to spend
that much when there are other much cheaper bikes that are in the same
class? In what way is this bike superior to similar but much less
expensive bikes? In what way is this bike the equal to similarly priced
but much higher performance bikes?" His answers were quite vague and
boil down to he just likes it better.

There seems to be no end to the lies Mr. Turner will spew to defend a
bicycle he himself does not deem worth purchasing. Is he counting on a
free review model?

Free review product placement is why most reviews are not worthwhile.
Only the few reviewers like the Consumers Union who pay full retail and
accept no advertising can be judged impartial and honest.

LIE:
11/19/03 11:10 PM
Lawrence Turner wrote:
Making no sense again. I thought he answered your question quite
nicely. If anything was vague, it was your question. If you wanted
technical details you could have asked a follow up. But you gave no
hint that you were not satisfied with his answer, seemingly because
somebody beat you at your own game by saying they paid full price for
a Bigha.

What confuses me is how you've stated many times people will defend
their purchases just to avoid looking bad, but now seem to think these
are the only objective reviews. And then a Bigha owner steps up to
give his opinion and you deem it worthless.

Mr Love seems to be talking out of several sides of the same mouth to
attack a bike he supposedly hasn't even seen. Why the vendetta? Is
he perhaps a disgruntled ex-Bigha employee?

RESPONSE:
11/20/03 9:44 AM
Lorenzo L. Love wrote:
Still lying. What kind of psychological problems compel people to
continually lie in support of a bicycle that they themselves would never
buy? Only someone who has paid full price for anything can determine if
it is worth the price. I have never said otherwise. In fact I have
several times said that reviews from people who get items for free have
little value. The one solitary person who has said they had bought a
Bigha seems to like it a lot, but he declines to gives any objective
details on why. Meanwhile, Mr. Turner, who will not buy a Bigha,
continues to defend this bicycle. What possible reason is there for
this? Is he really a Bigha employee? Or is he just another psycho?

I could go on and on. What a sad little man. Obviously incapable of
distinguishing his fantasies from reality.

By the way, this "TJ Theismen" who is the sole person who claimed to
have bought a Bigha (other then a poor attempt at deception by another
nutcase) is known to have committed identity theft and fraud by posting
under both the "TJ Theismen" identity and my name from his computer with
the static address 65.125.99.194 being the same in both messages. As
this demonstrates he is a liar and considering the very vague
explanations of why he purchased a Bigha, it has become very
questionable whether he has actually ever saw a Bigha, much less
purchased one.

Is there anyone on this news group, who is not a known liar, who has
actually purchased a Bigha for the full $3000.00 price?

Lorenzo L. Love
http://home.thegrid.net/~lllove

Main Entry: psy·cho·sis
Pronunciation: sI-'kO-s&s
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural psy·cho·ses /-"sEz/
Etymology: New Latin
Date: 1847
: fundamental mental derangement (as schizophrenia) characterized by
defective or lost contact with reality

© 1999 by Merriam-Webster, Incorporated

My position is clearly outlined in all of my previous posts. I raised
issues that you've completely dodged and to this moment have not
acknowledged. Even after reading the previous messages again, I don't
see where you can say I'm lying. Where have I lied? Specifically, in
your own words, using your own interpretation, tell me how I'm a liar.

I understand your home is probably equipped with padded walls, but I
need you to really focus and try to speak English with me here and use
clear logic. The babble talk and wild assumptions don't cut it in the
sane world. You may want to get your nurse or babysitter to help you
compose your response.

Thank You. We may actually be making some progress here!

(Hashim El Amin) wrote in message . com...

(Edward Dolan) wrote in message . com...

Larry Varney wrote in message ...

[...]

I'll be the first to admit that, as far as I know, I don't know any
Muslims. In this part of the country, we're always on the tail end of
any immigration. Maybe people are avoiding us because the last bunches
to come through were the Irish and the Germans!
But seriously, I picked up a book just yesterday that sounds like it
might be interesting: "Silent No More - Confronting America's False
Images of Islam" by Paul Findley.


From the title alone it sounds like a really bad book to me Mr.
Varney. All is not sweetness and light in the Muslim World. Other
books have been written which clearly show this. There was a Muslim
author on C-Span Book Notes not too long ago who lectured on the
Muslim religion and had some very interesting things to say about it.
He was totally disillusioned with the religion and pointed out many of
its very bad features. I wish I could remember the name of the book or
the name of its author so I could give it to you. It would REALLY open
your eyes. I do not think I would bother to read any book about Islam
that wants to make the case that it is a religion of peace and
freedom.

Ed Dolan - Minnesota

Give me the name of the book and I'll gladly read it. I don't find it
very helpful to censor myself from opposing views and ideas.
Oftentimes I've discovered my preconcieved notions are wrong. Have
you ever been wrong Mr Dolan?

The most intelligent thing you can do when it comes time to read a
book is to choose which book to read among the many thousands that are
available. Poor Mr. Varney has been taken in by the first book about
Muslims to fall into his hands. He is even so ignorant that he does
not want to even read a book review and find out what others who are
many times smarter than him think about it. That is the ultimate
ignorance and the hallmark of an uneducated person.

Does it make life easier for you to blame everything wrong in the
world on Muslims?

I am only blaming on the Muslims what they have themselves taken
credit for, although morons like Mr. Sherman are not sure who is doing
what to whom.

Believe it or not, there are people just like you in the "Muslim
World." They watch TV and read the papers and believe every word
that's in them about how evil America and the West is. All Americans
are war-mongerers who think they own the world and dance like Britney
Spears on MTV in their free time.

There is no free press in the Muslim world that I know about. Muslims
are steeped in ignorance, prejudice and superstition. They think what
ever their governments (mostly thug governments) tell them to think,
and then they go out into the streets and have their miserable
protests and demonstrations against the West - as if we are somehow
responsible for all their miseries. That is your world, not mine.
Maybe you would like to return to it, but we in the West think it is
all an abomination!

Of course these ideas are silly, just like the silly ideas you have in
your head about Islam. But they still incite hatred so I guess they
meet their purposes. Just know that in the end, you're just another
sucker - not the genius you think you are.

The only thing that is citing hatred in the West for Islam are all
these terrorist attacks emanating from the Muslims. Maybe you would
like to address that instead of bleating about my so called
"silliness". Prior to these attacks, I never had any thought in my
head for Islam except one of generalized contempt for a foolish and
ridiculous religion that is only worthy of simple minded people. It is
a simple religion for simple people. But I am all in favor of any
religion if it installs some morality in the believer, but the
morality of Muslims apparently does not extend to non-Muslims.

Ed Dolan - Minnesota