Cyclists break the road rules...

On 2008-01-13, Zebee Johnstone (aka Bruce)
was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:
Trikes are right outside planners understanding I've found, there are
a couple of places on my regular commute that are very trike
unfriendly due to the bollard design. One's been fixed, the other
probably never will be.

I have no idea if the various bike consulting groups have trikers on
them, or if the two wheelers know three wheelers so they think "what
about trikes?"

It's not just trikes though. Tourers, parents with kids on tagalongs,
and trailers all have problems. Bollards are a truly stupid idea.
And those fences that divert you around a U-turn.

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Zebee Johnstone wrote:

Which it isn't, as that description shows. A quota isn't going to
change depending on circumstances for example.

Still smells like it.

How do you propose a council or police force can determine if the
employees are doing the job or skiving off?

There are lots of ways, the easiest is to threaten them with sacking if they
don't "perform". There are lots of criminals out there, all ripe for the picking.

I'm sorry, it appears you missed my posts about the Pig, Bus Lane, local
drivers and shooting fish in a barrel.

Not to mention car owners being booked for parking on the grass verge in
front of their own house, or how the CityRail (NSW) "officers" being the most
complained about - more so than the trains that were not running in the first
place. - Not one smoker being booked either.

I can site a heap more, but can't be bothered.

Dunno about police, but I do know the bomber's job is hard, unpleasant,

In the city? Are you kidding? Fish in a barrel...

and so difficult to fill.

So what? Prostitution is too. That thing called self-respect tends to get
in the way. ******* that.

Good recipe for people not working just saying they do.

As for alternative to making things up, and nitpicking over insignificant
things?

Let's put things into perspective.

It used to be a method for controlling order in society. This is a good
thing, because chaos and anarchy in parking leads to... Well... Problems...

However, this is no longer the case. Screw order in society, this business,
our income stream is flailing, something needs to be done about it.

What would you do to make sure the work's being done?

There are lots of criminals out there, all ripe for the picking.
**** off and do your job or "don't bother coming in on monday".

Done, problem solved.



This ain't Kansas anymore, and three clicks of your cleats won't get you
back there either. Welcome to the brave new land of GovCo.
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Zebee Johnstone wrote:

Trikes are right outside planners understanding I've found, there are
a couple of places on my regular commute that are very trike
unfriendly due to the bollard design. One's been fixed, the other
probably never will be.

I've been lucky, only found one bridge bollard in Pennant Hills where I have
to manouver creatively to get past, but I have the narrowest trike in the
range though - that *really* does help.

I have no idea if the various bike consulting groups have trikers on
them, or if the two wheelers know three wheelers so they think "what
about trikes?"

Doesn't even cross their minds. We occasionally have people from the
council at our BUG meetings, but lobbying outside your local is a bit
difficult. You need to get onto the bug that handles that area, and mention
the problem areas to them.

You're not playing the common sense game anymore, this is politics.

Maybe what you need is to find someone who uses a trike cos they are
disabled, then raise a fuss about how the councils are not living up
to their obligations.

I'm guessing that will only be viable with an advertising campaign too. One
person can't make a change unless said person "knows" the right people in the
right places.

It's actually incredible how quickly and efficiently things get done that
way though.
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scotty72 wrote:
the harbor bridge bike way is not shared

if fact there are 2 guards on duty at any time who will throw peds
off. I've seen them do it.

Do they ask them if they can swim first?

Theo

Theo Bekkers wrote:

if fact there are 2 guards on duty at any time who will throw peds
off. I've seen them do it.

Do they ask them if they can swim first?

Interestingly enough, when we passed there yesterday, there were three of
them. All evenly spaced towards the centre.

You don't get to find out you're not supposed to be there until you're well
onto the bridge.

That and, we passed TWO pedestrians, though that was towards the ends, and
before they've had a stern talking to.

Or perhaps to fine them (being the cynic that I am), where you don't have
opportunity to escape when you're in the middle.

Said peds likely do what 50% (*) of the rail customers do. Give them false
details.



(*) A SMH report a couple of years back claimed 50% of the fines on the
railway system (trains and stations) belonged to false names and could not be
traced.

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At either end of the bridge's cycleway entrance there are signs about
6-10 ft tall that clearly state that peds and joggers are prohibited and
fines apply.

It's no one but the peds' fault if they walk around with their eyes
wide shut.

John Tserkezis Wrote:
Theo Bekkers wrote:

if fact there are 2 guards on duty at any time who will throw peds
off. I've seen them do it.

Do they ask them if they can swim first?

Interestingly enough, when we passed there yesterday, there were three
of
them. All evenly spaced towards the centre.

You don't get to find out you're not supposed to be there until you're
well
onto the bridge.

That and, we passed TWO pedestrians, though that was towards the ends,
and
before they've had a stern talking to.

Or perhaps to fine them (being the cynic that I am), where you don't
have
opportunity to escape when you're in the middle.

Said peds likely do what 50% (*) of the rail customers do. Give them
false
details.



(*) A SMH report a couple of years back claimed 50% of the fines on
the
railway system (trains and stations) belonged to false names and could
not be
traced.

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scotty72

scotty72 wrote:

At either end of the bridge's cycleway entrance there are signs about
6-10 ft tall that clearly state that peds and joggers are prohibited and
fines apply.

It's no one but the peds' fault if they walk around with their eyes
wide shut.

Shrug. I didn't notice either.

However, in my defence, on the trike, my head is barely a foot or two off
the ground, and signs are that far up relative to the cycling crowd around me
(mainly all rear wheels and arseholes) that they're obstructed and I don't see
them unless I have some room to move.

On the way down on at the northern end, I *certainly* wasn't looking for
signs, I was concentrating on carrying a cumbersome trike with full plastic
cleats on hard smooth concrete and/or tiles.

Not fun at all.

Last time I did that with the dual MTB, I rode down (the stairs, not the
girly smooth bit in the middle). Now *that* was fun. :-)

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In aus.bicycle on Mon, 14 Jan 2008 13:26:52 +1100
John Tserkezis wrote:
On the way down on at the northern end, I *certainly* wasn't looking for
signs, I was concentrating on carrying a cumbersome trike with full plastic
cleats on hard smooth concrete and/or tiles.

My HighRacer is tall enough that I can wheel it down the ramp and have
access to the brakes.

Couldn't ride the trike down on the ramp?

Zebee

Zebee Johnstone wrote:

My HighRacer is tall enough that I can wheel it down the ramp and have
access to the brakes.
Couldn't ride the trike down on the ramp?

You might not remember mine last time you saw it, there is barely two inches
ground clearance to play with. So if there are any lumps in the terrain, you
certainly know about it.

Also, if you grab the rear to lift it, you don't realistically have access
to the brakes. They're too far front, with you too far leaned over to make it
a viable rolling method.

If I tried it, I would have to lift the rear and roll the fronts, but it
would scrape the front chainring when the ramp flattens out at each block of
steps. (and that's with me crouching down to hold the rear as low as possible).

And if that wasn't enough, holding the entire weight of the trike back from
rolling down with only one hand is a bit of a challenge. It ain't a small
hill remember...

On the other hand, if I go fast enough to launch it so it doesn't bottom
out, by the time I get down the bottom, I would have lost a good kilo worth of
scraping aluminium, and a good respectable kilo worth of nappy filler off
myself in the process.


So no, I don't have any option other than to carry it down.
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scotty72 wrote:
.. but motorists never do, right.

Are you as sick of the constant whinge about 'cyclists break the law,
so lets register them and that will solve it' crap?

Cars are registered. Doesn't stop them CONSTANTLY breaking the law.

watch this (about 1min 50 sec)

' http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlPaz-z3vcU'
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlPaz-z3vcU)

Looks like there should be slip lanes to turn left. We have those in
Victoria.

Driving home from work tonight, waiting to turn right at a major
intersection, I saw a cyclist just go ahead and make the right turn
against the red once there was no oncoming traffic. Blatantly illegal.

So like the other thread concluded, just being a cyclist doesn't make
you 'pure of heart' either.


Hamish