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22 Sept. No petrol day
Fusion can and will work -- the energy output goes up as volume or the reactor to some power, and to reach and go beyond the breakeven point, we simply need to devote more money, and more engineering to the problem. The science has been (mostly) solved. It takes bugger all fuel, and is renewable for all intents and purposes. "However, the technology to harness nuclear fusion for energy production is still in the early stages of development. At present, reactors seeking to harness fusion power consume more energy in triggering the fusion reaction than they can produce, and a sustained fusion reaction has proven difficult to produce and sustain.'http://www.enviroliteracy.org/article.php/71.html' (http://) " Pat -- vaudegiant |
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Stuart Lamble Wrote: On 2005-09-15, Peka wrote: LotteBum Wrote: how dumb does this make those who drive 4WD's and other large vehicles? Not all who drive 4WD's are dumb. A 2+ tonne turbo diesel wagon can use less fuel than a standard petrol family car. A smaller diesel 4wd will use less again. Diesel also requires less refining. There must be reason why Europe has heaps of diesel passenger cars? Yes. Diesel is taxed less than petrol in Europe. That makes it significantly cheaper ...While the cost per litre of petrol might be significant enough in Europe, the difference here does NOT make it more expensive. Not if you actually do some calculations. My Patrol 4.2TD uses ~12.5L/100km for normal daily driving. It's a pretty agricultural engine, the EFI models are better. Before that I had a dual fuel (ie. LPG/Petrol) 3.2L V6 Rodeo which typically used 18L/100km when on petrol - smaller engine with EFI, 4 valves per cyl etc, less weight to push around, and still chews that much extra fuel in normal daily driving. At current prices, that's nearly 6L and $6 extra per 100km. I get ~800km per tank, so it's using nearly 50L less! The difference is much bigger if you compare it to a Patrol or Landcruiser petrol. -- Peka |
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Peka wrote:
Theo Bekkers Wrote: Sorento, and that IS a two tonne 4WD ROFL, a Kia Sorento is a '4WD'? Surely you jest In that it has a 2-4, Hi-Lo selections on it's gear shift, unlike an AWD. It's a common misconception that the bigger a vehicle is, the more space it has for passengers. I think I pointed out that a Commodore wagon is considerably longer than "big" 4WDs. Theo |
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Theo Bekkers Wrote: Resound wrote: Oh I'm not saying that the 121 wasn't a bit small, it would be. Those things have a tiny boot. But a Falcon? I suppose all those famillies in Europe driving Fiat Puntos and Citroen Saxos just bung the baby in the glovebox? Or maybe they have different rules for child capsules etc. My daughter-in-law had two children less than 18 months apart. Two child capsules, a twin stroller and the shopping just did not fit into the Kia Sorento, and that IS a two tonne 4WD. She got a Holden Adventra which has more rear-seat depth and a much larger boot. The Adventra is 500mm longer than even a Land crusher. Theo Then, nasty as it sounds, she's not doing something effectively. The largest car my family had when I was a kid was a Datsun 180B station wagon and we certainly didn't suffer. Again, I point at Europe, and I rather seriously doubt that they suffer horribly OR abuse their children or expose them to needless danger on cultural scale. The Scandinavians would be one of the last cultures to do that sort of thing, and if you think they dont make use of cars during the winter months, especially with very young children, you're deluding yourself. Trying to say that someone NEEDS a two tonne (or near as dammit) monster like an Adventra simply because they have children is a crock. If you get the all terrain 4˝ foot wide stroller then you might find it needful, but that's the same sort of mindless bigger is better mentality that says that a two tonne vehicle is exactly what you need to cope with a family. In short, bollarks. -- Resound |
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Resound wrote: Then, nasty as it sounds, she's not doing something effectively. BINGO!! The largest car my family had when I was a kid was a Datsun 180B station wagon and we certainly didn't suffer. But didn't you know that in 'modern' day Australian culture (actually, I'd hardly call it modern - how about 'this day'), you are abusing your child if your car does not weigh at least 2 tonnes. My nephew goes to a private school and my sister reckons there is nothing worse than when she drops him off at school in her late model Mazda 323, and all the other mothers turn up in their Patrols and Landcruisers to drop their children off. People can attempt to justify driving a big car all they want - I'll never buy it. I don't care how little you drive. In reality some people due to personal circumstances do need to drive further than others, but that doesn't justify driving a gas guzzling death trap to the local school twice a day. Think about it. Anyway, apparently fuel sales are down 5% this week. It wasn't that hard, was it? Again, I point at Europe, and I rather seriously doubt that they suffer horribly OR abuse their children or expose them to needless danger on cultural scale. Precisely. Over there, it's the norm. The Scandinavians would be one of the last cultures to do that sort of thing, and if you think they dont make use of cars during the winter months, especially with very young children, you're deluding yourself. Perfect example: My mum rode her bike to work on a daily basis until just days before she had my sister and I. I was born in December, my sister in February. Those are hardly warm months over there. Trying to say that someone NEEDS a two tonne (or near as dammit) monster like an Adventra simply because they have children is a crock. If you get the all terrain 4˝ foot wide stroller then you might find it needful, but that's the same sort of mindless bigger is better mentality that says that a two tonne vehicle is exactly what you need to cope with a family. You've hit the nail on the head. I think it's a status thing and it's oh so pathetic in my view. In short, bollarks. Agreed. LotteBum -- LotteBum |
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On Fri, 16 Sep 2005 12:06:33 +1000, Resound wrote:
Again, I point at Europe, and I rather seriously doubt that they suffer horribly OR abuse their children or expose them to needless danger on cultural scale. Please don't keep pointing at Europe as if it's a haven of all things sensible. There's a fair selection of regulations/behaviour that are pretty silly there too. The child car seats over there are increasingly going the way of those over here. When we were back home in Scotland last Christmas the best child seat we could find was a bugger to fit properly and even when it did fit it swayed from side to side with even gentle cornering. Some countries (it may even be an EU wide change) are introducing standard which require the rear fixing similar to Australian models (in addition to the seat belt). There are a few, primarily manufacturer specific, fittings which hold the seat absolutely rock solid (it's fixed to the floor pan). Even in Europe they're going with the "bigger is better" for kid seats. And yes, in many cases it means either getting a bigger car or sacrificing the ability to fit an adult in the front passenger seat. That said a "bigger car" can often mean just a better designed car. Many cars that would be considered small over here provide more space for passengers than a Commodore/Falcon could ever hope of doing. Graeme |
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"Resound" wrote in message ... Scandinavians would be one of the last cultures to do that sort of thing, and if you think they dont make use of cars during the winter The ubiquitous yellow Volvo station wagon from the 80's? It is not enormous, but it is no small car. I don't think many are arguing that a Falcon may be overkill if we are talking about one new child. Just that a 121 is inadequate to transport a new born - 6 month old due to legislation/regulation that specifically requires use of a rearward facing seat for babies satisfying Australian Design Rules. All resulting in baby seats that don't fit in a 121 with anymore than 2 other passengers. Any family with 1 baby and two toddlers still in car seats would know that they do not fit in anything smaller than a large car (commodore or falcon) - even the narrowest seats cannot fit across the width. |
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"Graeme Dods" wrote in message ... On Fri, 16 Sep 2005 12:06:33 +1000, Resound wrote: Again, I point at Europe, and I rather seriously doubt that they suffer horribly OR abuse their children or expose them to needless danger on cultural scale. Please don't keep pointing at Europe as if it's a haven of all things sensible. I'm not, per sé. What I'm pointing out is that they seem to manage perfectly well, including the scandinavian countries who are huge on road safety, while driving much smaller cars than we have here. What I was saying originally was that to justify the purchase of a Ford Falcon of the basis that you've have a child (as this woman did) and then complain about fuel prices is a bloody stupid thing. I refuse to believe that having a child requires the purchase of a huge vehicle. |
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"Bob" wrote in message u... "Resound" wrote in message ... Scandinavians would be one of the last cultures to do that sort of thing, and if you think they dont make use of cars during the winter The ubiquitous yellow Volvo station wagon from the 80's? It is not enormous, but it is no small car. I don't think many are arguing that a Falcon may be overkill if we are talking about one new child. Just that a 121 is inadequate to transport a new born - 6 month old due to legislation/regulation that specifically requires use of a rearward facing seat for babies satisfying Australian Design Rules. All resulting in baby seats that don't fit in a 121 with anymore than 2 other passengers. Any family with 1 baby and two toddlers still in car seats would know that they do not fit in anything smaller than a large car (commodore or falcon) - even the narrowest seats cannot fit across the width. So anyone who has two shildren and manages with a car that's smaller than a Commodore or Falcon is clearly cheating somehow? |
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22 Sept. No petrol day
On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 15:24:45 +1000, flyingdutch wrote:
OK OK. I agree to not buy any petrol for my bike And you mustn't oil it, either :-) -- Home page: http://members.westnet.com.au/mvw |
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