Just a fine for cyclist that ran down a solicitor

On Jul 4, 8:04*pm, Dave - Cyclists VOR
wrote:
On 04/07/2012 15:43, M Wicks wrote:







On Jul 4, 3:40 pm, "John Benn" wrote:
"M Wicks" wrote in message

....

On Jul 4, 8:31 am, "Mrcheerful" wrote:
Despite causing brain damage to the pedestrian that he mowed down at
26mph
the cyclist does not even get a ban from the road or prison time, merely
a
fine.

Clearly this incident justifies your and others' hate towards ALL
cyclists, doesn't it?

This particular cyclist was an idiot, and has been justly punished.
Move on.

However, civil proceedings are to follow, so I hope his fridge freezer
insurance is in order

Fridge freezer insurance???????????????

Believe it or not, some mad cyclists claim that household insurance covers
them against any third part claims.

Do you have any evidence that it doesn't?

If you had read this group for long enough, you would have known that.

I'm so very sorry. Shoot me now. Perhaps I have been reading this
group and just didn't pick up on that one point. There are an awful
lot of heated 'themes' around here as you've doubtless noticed. Many
are either started or perpetuated by you.

Perhaps you're just a thick c**t?

Again, I know you're trying very hard not to do it but the swearing is
still at an unacceptable level. Try reading what you've written back
to yourself before you send it. Thanks.

I haven't managed to find a counsellor yet but don't worry, I'm
working on it. I hope you're coming round to the idea. It would be a
mistake for you to think you knew it all, even though you're in your
late 70s wasn't it?

On 04/07/2012 21:07, M Wicks wrote:
On Jul 4, 8:04 pm, Dave - Cyclists VOR
wrote:
On 04/07/2012 15:43, M Wicks wrote:







On Jul 4, 3:40 pm, "John Benn" wrote:
"M Wicks" wrote in message

...

On Jul 4, 8:31 am, "Mrcheerful" wrote:
Despite causing brain damage to the pedestrian that he mowed down at
26mph
the cyclist does not even get a ban from the road or prison time, merely
a
fine.

Clearly this incident justifies your and others' hate towards ALL
cyclists, doesn't it?

This particular cyclist was an idiot, and has been justly punished.
Move on.

However, civil proceedings are to follow, so I hope his fridge freezer
insurance is in order

Fridge freezer insurance???????????????

Believe it or not, some mad cyclists claim that household insurance covers
them against any third part claims.

Do you have any evidence that it doesn't?

If you had read this group for long enough, you would have known that.

I'm so very sorry. Shoot me now. Perhaps I have been reading this
group and just didn't pick up on that one point. There are an awful
lot of heated 'themes' around here as you've doubtless noticed. Many
are either started or perpetuated by you.

Perhaps you're just a thick ****?

Again, I know you're trying very hard not to do it but the swearing is
still at an unacceptable level. Try reading what you've written back
to yourself before you send it. Thanks.

********.

I haven't managed to find a counsellor yet but don't worry, I'm
working on it. I hope you're coming round to the idea. It would be a
mistake for you to think you knew it all, even though you're in your
late 70s wasn't it?


I'm at least 103.



--
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legitimate mode of transport; it is either a toy for children or a
vehicle fit only for the poor and/or strange," Dave Horton - Lancaster
University

On Jul 4, 3:40*pm, "John Benn" wrote:

Believe it or not, some mad cyclists claim that household insurance covers
them against any third part claims.

And believe it or not there are some stupid trolls that claim it
doesn't

If you had read this group for long enough, you would have known that.

If you actually read your policy, you could find out what you have
bought

On Jul 4, 8:54*pm, Bertie Wooster wrote:


£1795 for causing injury after shooting a red light is a considerably
greater price than Robert Harris had to pay after he chose to drive
with three bald tyres and killed four cyclists by skidding into them.
He had to pay £180, £45 per life he took.

That's inflation for you.

On Jul 4, 9:06*pm, JNugent wrote:


I dare say that the victim will be very well represented in court. Let's all
of us hope he (and his counsel) take his assailant to the cleaners.

Or his freezer insurers.

On Jul 4, 9:07*pm, M Wicks wrote:


I haven't managed to find a counsellor yet but don't worry, I'm
working on it. I hope you're coming round to the idea. It would be a
mistake for you to think you knew it all, even though you're in your
late 70s wasn't it?

Good to see you at last admit you need counselling, still seeing sky
faries?

Phil W Lee wrote:
Squashme considered Wed, 4 Jul 2012 01:54:32
-0700 (PDT) the perfect time to write:

On Wednesday, July 4, 2012 8:31:34 AM UTC+1, Mrcheerful wrote:
Despite causing brain damage to the pedestrian that he mowed down
at 26mph the cyclist does not even get a ban from the road or
prison time, merely a fine.

So, 85% of the maximum allowable penalty.
How often do dangerous drivers get anything like that harsh a
treatment?

However, civil proceedings are to follow, so I hope his fridge
freezer insurance is in order since the loss of a career as a
solicitor is going to be very expensive, and the payout will come
from every pocket in the land (in effect)

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/public...cle3464777.ece

Mark Cavendish makes a useful suggestion:-

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/public...cle3451896.ece

"The fastest man on two wheels says that if drivers knew that they
would face harsh penalties if they knocked down a cyclist they would
pay more attention and safety would improve."

The same should apply in cyclist/pedestrian collisions. It would
concentrate the mind. It should not be necessary, but there you are.

Apparently, in 2009 in the Brussels Region:- "A driver or cyclist
who ignores a red light can get a fine of 150 euro. A pedestrian up
to 50 euro."

A driver should get a harsher penalty, as their choice of vehicle
poses a much greater threat.

In a similar case to the one prompting this thread, a motorist would
probably be fined about 80 quid (if that).
If 26mph is a dangerous speed for a bicycle in that location,
shouldn't it be something like 10mph for cars?
Of course, a motorist in that situation would be regarded as having an
absolute defence in that he was traveling within the speed limit.

Note that despite Cheerless' wild accusations, it was NOT a pedestrian
crossing - the solicitor stepped out into traffic entirely on his own
responsibility, and without any sight of what light indication the
cyclist had.

The cyclist went through a red light and the victim was on a pedestrian
crossing according to the reports that the general public have read.

The Telegraph said:
"Solicitor left with fractured skull after cyclist raced through red light "
"Clive Hyer, a partner at Rosenblatt's law firm, was hit by 44 year-old
Andrej Schipka at 26mph as he stepped out on to a pedestrian crossing"
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...urt-hears.html

If you read the words above and on the relevant web page you will see that
the cyclist went through a red light and crashed into the victim on a
pedestrian crossing.

So what information can you point to that contradicts those bits of
information gleaned from a reputable source?

On Wed, 4 Jul 2012 15:40:05 +0100, John Benn wrote:
"M Wicks" wrote in message
...
On Jul 4, 8:31 am, "Mrcheerful" wrote:

However, civil proceedings are to follow, so I hope his fridge
freezer insurance is in order

Fridge freezer insurance???????????????

Believe it or not, some mad cyclists claim that household insurance covers
them against any third part claims.

That is because it generally does cover third party claims arising
from cycling (note that no-one has claimed it covers "any third party
claims" - that's more lies).

No-one that denies this has managed to find a single policy document
that doesn't, though many that do have been both cited and quoted.

The fridge freezer insurance bit is because John Benn can't argue
with the facts, so prefers to make up nonsense and pretend that
someone else said the nonsense he made up. It seems this makes him
feel clever. I don't know why.


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"M Wicks" wrote in message
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On Jul 4, 8:04 pm, Dave - Cyclists VOR
wrote:
On 04/07/2012 15:43, M Wicks wrote:







On Jul 4, 3:40 pm, "John Benn" wrote:
"M Wicks" wrote in message

...

On Jul 4, 8:31 am, "Mrcheerful" wrote:
Despite causing brain damage to the pedestrian that he mowed down at
26mph
the cyclist does not even get a ban from the road or prison time,
merely
a
fine.

Clearly this incident justifies your and others' hate towards ALL
cyclists, doesn't it?

This particular cyclist was an idiot, and has been justly punished.
Move on.

However, civil proceedings are to follow, so I hope his fridge
freezer
insurance is in order

Fridge freezer insurance???????????????

Believe it or not, some mad cyclists claim that household insurance
covers
them against any third part claims.

Do you have any evidence that it doesn't?

If you had read this group for long enough, you would have known that.

I'm so very sorry. Shoot me now. Perhaps I have been reading this
group and just didn't pick up on that one point. There are an awful
lot of heated 'themes' around here as you've doubtless noticed. Many
are either started or perpetuated by you.

Perhaps you're just a thick c**t?

Again, I know you're trying very hard not to do it but the swearing is
still at an unacceptable level. Try reading what you've written back
to yourself before you send it. Thanks.

Unacceptable for whom? If he thinks someone is a thick ****, why shouldn't
he just tell him that he's a thick ****?

I haven't managed to find a counsellor yet but don't worry, I'm
working on it. I hope you're coming round to the idea. It would be a
mistake for you to think you knew it all, even though you're in your
late 70s wasn't it?

"Phil W Lee" wrote in message
...

Squashme considered Wed, 4 Jul 2012 01:54:32
-0700 (PDT) the perfect time to write:

On Wednesday, July 4, 2012 8:31:34 AM UTC+1, Mrcheerful wrote:
Despite causing brain damage to the pedestrian that he mowed down at
26mph
the cyclist does not even get a ban from the road or prison time, merely
a
fine.

So, 85% of the maximum allowable penalty.
How often do dangerous drivers get anything like that harsh a
treatment?

However, civil proceedings are to follow, so I hope his fridge freezer
insurance is in order since the loss of a career as a solicitor is going
to
be very expensive, and the payout will come from every pocket in the land
(in effect)

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/public...cle3464777.ece

Mark Cavendish makes a useful suggestion:-

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/public...cle3451896.ece

"The fastest man on two wheels says that if drivers knew that they would
face harsh penalties if they knocked down a cyclist they would pay more
attention and safety would improve."

The same should apply in cyclist/pedestrian collisions. It would
concentrate the mind. It should not be necessary, but there you are.

Apparently, in 2009 in the Brussels Region:- "A driver or cyclist who
ignores a red light can get a fine of 150 euro. A pedestrian up to 50
euro."

A driver should get a harsher penalty, as their choice of vehicle
poses a much greater threat.

In a similar case to the one prompting this thread, a motorist would
probably be fined about 80 quid (if that).
If 26mph is a dangerous speed for a bicycle in that location,
shouldn't it be something like 10mph for cars?
Of course, a motorist in that situation would be regarded as having an
absolute defence in that he was traveling within the speed limit.

Note that despite Cheerless' wild accusations, it was NOT a pedestrian
crossing - the solicitor stepped out into traffic entirely on his own
responsibility, and without any sight of what light indication the
cyclist had.

As usual, you are trying to make it appear that it was the pedestrian's
fault ; read this bit again :

............Schipka, 44, an IT manager with Commerzbank who has cycled in
London for ten years, was also travelling to work when he skipped the red
light. Witnesses said that he shouted “Oi, move� as he saw Mr Hyer step into
the road. Schipka went over his handlebars but neither he nor his bike was
damaged..................

Did you miss the bit about *skipping the red light*, or the bit about him
shouting *Oi, move*, and also the bit about him seeing Mr.Hyer step into the
road?
You will never gain any credibility as long as you keep on cherrypicking
which parts of the story that suit you.