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Electronic Shifting
On Saturday, July 13, 2019 at 1:34:51 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Saturday, July 13, 2019 at 4:56:43 PM UTC+2, Frank Krygowski wrote: On Saturday, July 13, 2019 at 2:59:31 AM UTC-4, wrote: On Saturday, July 13, 2019 at 4:43:02 AM UTC+2, Frank Krygowski wrote: On Friday, July 12, 2019 at 2:54:54 PM UTC-4, Tom Evans wrote: On 12/07/2019 18:09, Frank Krygowski wrote: My concern is that unlike mechanical systems, electronics are a black box. I can look at a conventional derailleur system and figure out what's wrong with it. Usually I can fix it with very simple tools, even out on the road. I normally do all my own bike stuff. However twice this decade I have had to get shift levers replaced. They seem impossible to me to fix. So I can't really see that electronic is that big a change from where we are now. Sounds like "we" are in different places now. I'm betting that you, like most "sport" cyclists, are using brifters - STI or similar. I'm not using brifters for exactly the same reason I'm skeptical of electronics. Some of my bikes have friction shifters, some have index bar-end levers or index levers elsewhere on the handlebars. I'm sure I can disassemble any of those if necessary - but it will probably never be necessary. They are very simple devices, with little to go wrong. BTW, my oldest index shifters are on a couple different three speed bikes. I've had those apart. I don't exactly remember, but I'm guessing there were maybe three moving parts. Heck, I could fabricate replacements for those! - Frank Krygowski Lets see how often did my brifters (ergo and STI) fail on me in the last 25 years...hmm....never. In take my chance for the coming years. Ah, same as my shifters, then! No, I take that back. There was a problem with a three speed trigger shifter... But I have had friends who had STI failures, who called me to come help get them going. One was on a brand new bike, bought two days before a week long bike tour. Another was a bike that had been in storage for maybe a year. A third was my daughter's bike on our longest tour, that consistently missed shifts onto the largest cog. I was once asked to help with a broken cable, too (inside the mechanism) but I wasn't able to straighten that out before having to leave for home. I know they work fine for most people, and I think they've gotten more reliable over the decades. But your preference is almost always for more technology. Mine is almost always for more simplicity and repairability. I doubt either of us will change. - Frank Krygowski It is clear that we live in a different cycling universe and I have little hope that I get you out of the eighties of last the century. That is OK. What I am trying to say to other people was that reliability can't be the reason to deny themselves the ease of use of brifters and even electronic shifting. Fortunately 99.9% of the people figured that out by themselves. I _very_ much doubt that 99.9% of bicyclists always use brifters or electronic shifting. In fact, I doubt that 99.9% of rec.bicycles.tech readers always use brifters or electronic shifting. There are many types of bicyclists and many types of bicyclists - AKA many different cycling universes. That is way better than OK. Don't imagine your personal riding style and equipment choices are the only legitimate ones, nor the "best" ones. - Frank Krygowski |
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