"Cyclist talks of impact collision had on his life"

On Mar 8, 10:21*pm, (roger merriman) wrote:
JNugent wrote:
On 08/03/2012 09:31, roger merriman wrote:

*wrote:
On 08/03/2012 07:16, Doug wrote:
On Mar 8, 7:06 am, Bertie * wrote:
On Wed, 7 Mar 2012 22:35:46 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

It also says that 15% of cyclists hit by a car are likely to die.
"I've just met an extremely inspiring cyclist called Andrew Curran.

On Mar 8, 8:35*am, Dave - Cyclists VOR
wrote:
On 08/03/2012 07:16, Doug wrote:









On Mar 8, 7:06 am, Bertie *wrote:
On Wed, 7 Mar 2012 22:35:46 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

It also says that 15% of cyclists hit by a car are likely to die.

"I've just met an extremely inspiring cyclist called Andrew Curran.

He was hit by a car while out cycling near Box Hill last May and
nearly died. It was three weeks before his wedding.

Here is my full interview with him:..."

More with video.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-17292780

Oh God! Now you've let the cat out of the bag...

"He is also an advocate of cycling helmets and says wearing one saved
his life. He's getting married soon. We wish him well."

Hmm! So how then did he get a fractured skull and his helmet didn't
protect him against his several other very serious, life-threatening
injuries. Helmets are merely a tokenistic protection perception, like
all the other advice handed out to cyclists in an attempt to divert
responsibility away from the real danger posed to cyclists, which is
dangerous drivers who are allowed to continue using our roads.

The Porky Chapman Helmet Test.

1] Wear a cycle helmet & allow someone to hit you on the head with a hammer.
2] Repeat, but without wearing the cycle helmet.
Record which one hurts the most & causes most trauma.

Repeat with rib-cage, with and without body armour, instead of skull
and see what happens.

Broken ribs can cause serious damage to the heart and lungs.

I repeat, helmets are a tokenistic protection used to deflect blame
from drivers to vulnerable cyclists.

-- .
A driving licence is sometimes a licence to kill.

-- .
A driving licence is sometimes a licence to kill.

On 09/03/2012 04:43, Simon Mason wrote:

... I do not even have English O level.

Gerraway!

On Mar 9, 7:20*am, Doug wrote:
..

Repeat with rib-cage, with and without body armour, instead of skull
and see what happens.

Broken ribs can cause serious damage to the heart and lungs.

I repeat, helmets are a tokenistic protection used to deflect blame
from drivers to vulnerable cyclists.

Agreed.
I never wear one, never have done and never will do.
Total waste of time.

--
Simon Mason

Doug wrote:
On Mar 8, 8:35 am, Dave - Cyclists VOR
wrote:
On 08/03/2012 07:16, Doug wrote:









On Mar 8, 7:06 am, Bertie wrote:
On Wed, 7 Mar 2012 22:35:46 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

It also says that 15% of cyclists hit by a car are likely to die.

"I've just met an extremely inspiring cyclist called Andrew
Curran.

He was hit by a car while out cycling near Box Hill last May and
nearly died. It was three weeks before his wedding.

Here is my full interview with him:..."

More with video.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-17292780

Oh God! Now you've let the cat out of the bag...

"He is also an advocate of cycling helmets and says wearing one
saved his life. He's getting married soon. We wish him well."

Hmm! So how then did he get a fractured skull and his helmet didn't
protect him against his several other very serious, life-threatening
injuries. Helmets are merely a tokenistic protection perception,
like all the other advice handed out to cyclists in an attempt to
divert responsibility away from the real danger posed to cyclists,
which is dangerous drivers who are allowed to continue using our
roads.

The Porky Chapman Helmet Test.

1] Wear a cycle helmet & allow someone to hit you on the head with a
hammer. 2] Repeat, but without wearing the cycle helmet.
Record which one hurts the most & causes most trauma.

Repeat with rib-cage, with and without body armour, instead of skull
and see what happens.

Broken ribs can cause serious damage to the heart and lungs.

I repeat, helmets are a tokenistic protection used to deflect blame
from drivers to vulnerable cyclists.


What about the frequent falling off that cyclists do? Surely it is worth
protecting the most valuable bit of your body when engaging in an extra
hazardous occupation. ?

On Thu, 8 Mar 2012 20:43:37 -0800 (PST), Simon Mason
wrote:

snip


And I do not even have English O level.



No ****???


Have you got one in Common Sense or How to win friends and Influence People

--
Mason is in denial - he is an alcoholic.
He claims that he drinks ten to twelve pints
a night and that it does him no harm.
He needs to seek help.

"roger merriman" wrote in message
...


What, "rather unlikely" that he got a fractured skull from impact damage,
or
"rather unlikely" that it could have been worse?

that the helmet would of done much.

I think you meant "That the helmet wouldn't have done much"
The first semi-coherent sentence you have written for a while.

--
Simon Mason

On 09/03/2012 20:22, Simon Mason wrote:

"roger merriman" wrote:

What, "rather unlikely" that he got a fractured skull from impact damage,
or "rather unlikely" that it could have been worse?

that the helmet would of done much.

I think you meant "That the helmet wouldn't have done much"
The first semi-coherent sentence you have written for a while.

Ever heard of glass houses?

Actually, rendered in perfect English, his point would have been: "...that
the helmet would have done much".

So you got it precisely the wrong way round. Roger might write as he speaks
(as do many people) but at least he says what he means.

JNugent wrote:

On 08/03/2012 22:21, roger merriman wrote:
wrote:

On 08/03/2012 09:31, roger merriman wrote:

wrote:
On 08/03/2012 07:16, Doug wrote:
On Mar 8, 7:06 am, Bertie wrote:
On Wed, 7 Mar 2012 22:35:46 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

It also says that 15% of cyclists hit by a car are likely to die.
"I've just met an extremely inspiring cyclist called Andrew Curran.
He was hit by a car while out cycling near Box Hill last May and
nearly died. It was three weeks before his wedding.
Here is my full interview with him:..."

More with video.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-17292780

Oh God! Now you've let the cat out of the bag...
"He is also an advocate of cycling helmets and says wearing one saved
his life. He's getting married soon. We wish him well."

Hmm! So how then did he get a fractured skull

From impact (mechanical) damage to the skull which would otherwise
have been worse (meaning fatal)?

thats rather unlikely.

What, "rather unlikely" that he got a fractured skull from impact
damage, or "rather unlikely" that it could have been worse?

that the helmet would of done much.

That depends on your preferred definition of "much".

It seems rather likely (as opposed to "rather unlikely") that the fearful
injury he did receive (a fractured skull) would have been worse still had his
head not been protected to some extent.

Sure but a cycle helmet is unlikley to offer that sort of protection,
it's not intended for that sort of thing check out a DH full face to see
the differnces.

to the best of my knowlege helmets struggle to prove that they do much?
though they do prove useful in getting threads going on usnet/forums.

Of course, I am not writing from a position of prejudice. I genuinely have no
axe to grind (except from a humanitarian POV) as to whether cyclists wear
helmets or not, and whether by compulsion or not. I do realise that many
cyclists regard them as unfashionable and uncool and wouldn't be seen dead
wearing one. Even literally in some cases.

most cyclist see them as cool, it's part of the look be that a roadie or
MTBer, or what ever.



and his helmet didn't
protect him against his several other very serious, life-threatening
injuries.

But then again, it wasn't meant to, was it? Just like air-bags and a
fastened seat belt won't sufficiently protect the driver and most
passengers in a car which slams into an underground concrete pillar at
70 mph.

are you really comparing airbags and seatbelts to cycle helmet?

They are analogous things.
Perhaps a better comparison is cricket shin pads, but they are all a subset
of items designed to give mechanical protection to the human body.

so are cycling gloves.

So they are. However, as unpleasant as it may be, severe injury to a hand, or
the loss of use of a hand, or even the loss of a whole limb or more than one
limb, can be survived rather more easily than severe head injury.

But you know that.

sure, my main risk is probably impact with a motorvehical thus my faith
in a cycle helmet is low.

Roger

On 08/03/2012 22:21, roger merriman wrote:
wrote:

On 08/03/2012 09:31, roger merriman wrote:

wrote:
On 08/03/2012 07:16, Doug wrote:
On Mar 8, 7:06 am, Bertie wrote:
On Wed, 7 Mar 2012 22:35:46 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

It also says that 15% of cyclists hit by a car are likely to die.
"I've just met an extremely inspiring cyclist called Andrew Curran.
He was hit by a car while out cycling near Box Hill last May and
nearly died. It was three weeks before his wedding.
Here is my full interview with him:..."

More with video.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-17292780

Oh God! Now you've let the cat out of the bag...
"He is also an advocate of cycling helmets and says wearing one saved
his life. He's getting married soon. We wish him well."

Hmm! So how then did he get a fractured skull

From impact (mechanical) damage to the skull which would otherwise
have been worse (meaning fatal)?

thats rather unlikely.

What, "rather unlikely" that he got a fractured skull from impact damage, or
"rather unlikely" that it could have been worse?

that the helmet would of done much.

and his helmet didn't
protect him against his several other very serious, life-threatening
injuries.

But then again, it wasn't meant to, was it? Just like air-bags and a
fastened seat belt won't sufficiently protect the driver and most
passengers in a car which slams into an underground concrete pillar at
70 mph.

are you really comparing airbags and seatbelts to cycle helmet?

They are analogous things.

Perhaps a better comparison is cricket shin pads, but they are all a subset
of items designed to give mechanical protection to the human body.

so are cycling gloves.

The Porky Chapman Helmet Test.

1] Wear a cycle helmet & allow someone to hit you on the head with a hammer.
2] Repeat, but without wearing the cycle helmet.
Record which one hurts the most & causes most trauma.


--
Dave - Cyclists VOR. "Many people barely recognise the bicycle as a
legitimate mode of transport; it is either a toy for children or a
vehicle fit only for the poor and/or strange," Dave Horton - Lancaster
University