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Old April 20th 06, 02:14 AM posted to rec.bicycles.misc
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I did a 55 minute training ride this evening, just shaking into adult
bicycling still. I've gotten in about three weeks of riding so far. Two
weeks back, I put stirrups on the pedals, because of an old ACL injury
- finally getting used to them.

So how did I wind up dumping myself in the grass, you ask? Dog. In
fact, got charged three times by the same dog, cussed out by the owner
of the dog because I made the mistake of trying to herd the nasty
little guy back to his even nastier owner (not the dog's fault his
owner is a moron, I figure) because she thought I was 'attacking' her
dog with my bike. Ummm, yeah, you can't even catch up with the dog in
your tennies, you think I can in bike cleats?

So, I get cussed, dog eventually loses interest in person standing
behind bike telling him authoritatively he is a 'bad dog', 'sit', and
'go home!' (not that he listened), I ride slowly off, watching. Sure
enough, he loops around owner and owner's kids, comes back for more
fun. I manage to ward him off, but in process, go down in the grass. No
injuries, 'cept my pride. Owner left behind in the interim. Dog goes
off to another street. I cycle back to owner, tell her 'charged me
again, dumped me this time, now he's over on (nearby street's name).'
Ride off while owner is gaping because I came back to tell her where
her lost dog was.

How do you rank the most common dangers you encounter by risk? Meaning
not just severity (cars!) but frequency (kids!). I'm not yet riding on
the Real Roads, but when I do I suppose I'll be missing that nasty
little dog in comparison to the traffic.

Zia

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Old April 20th 06, 02:57 AM posted to rec.bicycles.misc
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"Ziactrice" wrote in message
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So, I get cussed, dog eventually loses interest in person standing
behind bike telling him authoritatively he is a 'bad dog', 'sit', and
'go home!' (not that he listened), I ride slowly off, watching. Sure
enough, he loops around owner and owner's kids, comes back for more
fun. I manage to ward him off, but in process, go down in the grass. No
injuries, 'cept my pride. Owner left behind in the interim. Dog goes
off to another street. I cycle back to owner, tell her 'charged me
again, dumped me this time, now he's over on (nearby street's name).'
Ride off while owner is gaping because I came back to tell her where
her lost dog was.

How do you rank the most common dangers you encounter by risk? Meaning
not just severity (cars!) but frequency (kids!). I'm not yet riding on
the Real Roads, but when I do I suppose I'll be missing that nasty
little dog in comparison to the traffic.


Depends on the route. I don't know why but I am very fortunate in my dog
encounters. In over a decade I can think of only 3 serious charges by dogs
and two were from the same dog. Most ignore me. A few give a half-hearted
and friendly chase.

The most troublesome from my perspective is the dog in a fenced yard who
charges maniacally towards you to defend his territory. He can't get at you
but he can startle you into an accident. At least with dogs on the
trail/road you see them and can be prepared.

The biggest problem with kids and dogs is the potential for both to dart in
an unexpected direction suddenly. I think kids are more prone to that. Most
adults seem more likely to plod along in one direction.

The problem with cars can be eliminated 90% by well-designed roads. Of
course it's the other 10% that can kill you just as dead.

As for getting ready to ride in traffic: It is just a matter of
acclimatization. You get used to it.


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Old April 20th 06, 01:17 PM posted to rec.bicycles.misc
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Ziactrice wrote:

How do you rank the most common dangers you encounter by risk? Meaning
not just severity (cars!) but frequency (kids!). I'm not yet riding on
the Real Roads, but when I do I suppose I'll be missing that nasty
little dog in comparison to the traffic.


Around here (MA) dogs seem much less of a problem than what's reported
from some other locales.

Most studies will show that cyclists are their own biggest danger. Most
crashes involve just the rider.
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Old April 20th 06, 03:38 PM posted to rec.bicycles.misc
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Ziactrice wrote:
How do you rank the most common dangers you encounter by risk? Meaning
not just severity (cars!) but frequency (kids!). I'm not yet riding on
the Real Roads, but when I do I suppose I'll be missing that nasty
little dog in comparison to the traffic.


Roads: Inattentive drivers with or without cell-phones.

Bike trails: Inattentive pedestrians with or without dogs.
Power-walkers who go 3 abreast and talk too loudly to hear anyone else
("on your left ...ON YOUR LEFT ...HEY!! I'M COMING BY ON YOUR LEFT!!!")

Regarding dogs, there is one little rascal in my area who lives next to
a popular cycling road. He'll charge across his yard in a barking
frenzy and grind to an abrupt halt right at his driveway's edge. Never
sets a paw on the road, but looks for all the world like he'll shoot
right into you. I think it gives his life meaning to startle the %$#!
out of unwary cyclists.

I'm used to him so it puts a smile on my face every time I see him.
His house was at mile ~60 of a century ride a few years back. I swear
I thought he was cheering me on. :-)


-JR

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Old April 20th 06, 05:12 PM posted to rec.bicycles.misc
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SlowRider wrote:
Ziactrice wrote:

How do you rank the most common dangers you encounter by risk? Meaning
not just severity (cars!) but frequency (kids!). I'm not yet riding on
the Real Roads, but when I do I suppose I'll be missing that nasty
little dog in comparison to the traffic.



Roads: Inattentive drivers with or without cell-phones.

Bike trails: Inattentive pedestrians with or without dogs.
Power-walkers who go 3 abreast and talk too loudly to hear anyone else
("on your left ...ON YOUR LEFT ...HEY!! I'M COMING BY ON YOUR LEFT!!!")


Why would anyone train on a multi-use path? The one
I'm most familiar with is overrun with kindergarteners
on bikes, college students rollerblading, iPodded
joggers, construction equipment, neighbors talking, . . .
Training on it seems nothing short of remarkably foolish
to me.

Scott
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Old April 20th 06, 06:31 PM posted to rec.bicycles.misc
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I ran over a dog once. It charged at me in a corner, went under the
rear wheel, and then yelped as it ran back from whence it came. It was
about mile 60 of a 96 mile bike marathon raising moolah for cancer or
something.

I was around 13 and riding a Ross 10 speed, and so the combination of
youthfull skill and quickness, combined with a heavy steel wheeled
bike, ensured that I stayed on course.

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Old April 20th 06, 07:30 PM posted to rec.bicycles.misc
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In article .com,
"Ziactrice" writes:

How do you rank the most common dangers you encounter by risk? Meaning
not just severity (cars!) but frequency (kids!).


Well, I'd put jaywalkers right up near, if not the top of the list.
I don't know if they think bicycles "don't matter" since bikes are
smaller than cars, or if they just don't visually register the
presence of oncoming bicycles. And a lot of 'em underestimate
the speeds and stopping distances of bikes.


cheers,
Tom

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Tom Keats wrote:
In article .com,
"Ziactrice" writes:

How do you rank the most common dangers you encounter by risk? Meaning
not just severity (cars!) but frequency (kids!).


Well, I'd put jaywalkers right up near, if not the top of the list.
I don't know if they think bicycles "don't matter" since bikes are
smaller than cars, or if they just don't visually register the
presence of oncoming bicycles. And a lot of 'em underestimate
the speeds and stopping distances of bikes.


I had a couple Jaywalkers sneer at me just the other day--walked out in
front of me when I was about 2 seconds from them. I swerved and went
behind them and they made "gosh" sounds. This is in a town in
Connecticut (where walkers have absolute rights if they are in a
crosswalk) where they were not in the crosswalk--they were just too
lazy to either (a) wait for traffic to pass or (b) walk an extra 30
yards to get to the crosswalk.

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Old April 21st 06, 01:15 AM posted to rec.bicycles.misc
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bill wrote:
Tom Keats wrote:
In article .com,
"Ziactrice" writes:
How do you rank the most common dangers you encounter by risk? Meaning
not just severity (cars!) but frequency (kids!).

Well, I'd put jaywalkers right up near, if not the top of the list.
I don't know if they think bicycles "don't matter" since bikes are
smaller than cars, or if they just don't visually register the
presence of oncoming bicycles. And a lot of 'em underestimate
the speeds and stopping distances of bikes.


I had a couple Jaywalkers sneer at me just the other day--walked out in
front of me when I was about 2 seconds from them. I swerved and went
behind them and they made "gosh" sounds. This is in a town in
Connecticut (where walkers have absolute rights if they are in a
crosswalk) where they were not in the crosswalk--they were just too
lazy to either (a) wait for traffic to pass or (b) walk an extra 30
yards to get to the crosswalk.

You could have always used the football move and straight armed one in
the throat, clothes lined him. That would have put a stop to that as
long as it didn't take you off the bike and you would have 2 to deal
with. I have an excess of adrenalin, and it comes out in the presence of
idiots.
Not for everyone.
Bill Baka
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Old April 21st 06, 01:33 AM posted to rec.bicycles.misc
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In article ,
Bill Baka writes:

You could have always used the football move and straight armed one in
the throat, clothes lined him.


Besides being dangerous to the rider, that's a pretty harsh
and excessive approach that could inflict a hell of a lot
more injury than is deserved or warranted. In fact, I'd
say it would smack of Road Rage.

There's already more than enough of people hurtin' other people
going on in the world.

A fair fight is one thing, but something that's tantamount
to a sucker punch is ... sans honeur.

That would have put a stop to that as
long as it didn't take you off the bike and you would have 2 to deal
with. I have an excess of adrenalin, and it comes out in the presence of
idiots.


I doubt the adrenalin excuse would be accepted in court.

Not for everyone.


Certainly not for me.


cheers,
Tom

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