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"Cycling is not dangerous. Cars are dangerous."
On 12 Sep, 10:36, "Brimstone" wrote:
Simon Brooke wrote: On 12 Sep, 08:03, "mileburner" wrote: I would suggest that you keep an eye on the traffic and be prepared to get out of it's way if it is coming at you and looking like it is not going to stop. The roads are dangerous donchaknow? While I agree they are dangerous, the question is whether it is tolerable in a civilised society to allow them to be this dangerous? It seems to me that either the people who drive have got to get a lot better at driving (I include myself), or slow down drastically, or be prevented from driving. Current standards of driving skill in this country are not acceptable. How do you legislate for a driver suffering a heart attack whilst in motion? Give every driver a medical once a year and impose draconian sentencing when they kill vulnerable road users. -- UK Radical Campaigns www.zing.icom43.net A driving licence is a licence to kill. |
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"Cycling is not dangerous. Cars are dangerous."
On 13 Sep, 06:12, Doug wrote:
On 12 Sep, 10:36, "Brimstone" wrote: Simon Brooke wrote: On 12 Sep, 08:03, "mileburner" wrote: I would suggest that you keep an eye on the traffic and be prepared to get out of it's way if it is coming at you and looking like it is not going to stop. The roads are dangerous donchaknow? While I agree they are dangerous, the question is whether it is tolerable in a civilised society to allow them to be this dangerous? It seems to me that either the people who drive have got to get a lot better at driving (I include myself), or slow down drastically, or be prevented from driving. Current standards of driving skill in this country are not acceptable. How do you legislate for a driver suffering a heart attack whilst in motion? Give every driver a medical once a year and impose draconian sentencing when they kill vulnerable road users. -- UK Radical Campaignswww.zing.icom43.net A driving licence is a licence to kill.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - ....still paranoid then Doug. Life's full of risks - No matter what you ride or drive, you have to treat everyone else on the road/path like they're suicidally stupid, and always be ready for the unexpected. Medicals and stiffer sentences aren't going to make any difference, you check out any HSE stats and see that there's always going to be this residual risk left at the bottom of the graph after all possible potential is removed - that's life! The original article seems to be saying that it's not the traffic at fault - it's the cycle path stuck in the gutter of the road, placing cyclists in harms way - that's the problem. You shouldn't be ranting about drivers, petition instead your local authority for safer cycle ways - and if that doesn't work out and you can't accept your own responsibilities where personal safety is concerned, then why not get the hell out of Catford.... Mac |
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"Cycling is not dangerous. Cars are dangerous."
Doug wrote:
On 12 Sep, 10:36, "Brimstone" wrote: Simon Brooke wrote: On 12 Sep, 08:03, "mileburner" wrote: I would suggest that you keep an eye on the traffic and be prepared to get out of it's way if it is coming at you and looking like it is not going to stop. The roads are dangerous donchaknow? While I agree they are dangerous, the question is whether it is tolerable in a civilised society to allow them to be this dangerous? It seems to me that either the people who drive have got to get a lot better at driving (I include myself), or slow down drastically, or be prevented from driving. Current standards of driving skill in this country are not acceptable. How do you legislate for a driver suffering a heart attack whilst in motion? Give every driver a medical once a year and impose draconian sentencing when they kill vulnerable road users. How does that stop a driver suffering from a heart attack whilst driving, how would you pay for the additional new doctors required to carry out the check and what sentence would you impose on a dead car driver? |
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"Cycling is not dangerous. Cars are dangerous."
JNugent wrote:
Keitht wrote: JNugent wrote: Phil W Lee wrote: Doug : Surely if every time a driver set off on a journey they knew they could be facing a long prison sentence for killing or seriously injuring someone they would drive much more carefully and have more respect for the safety of vulnerable cyclists and pedestrians? I favour the spiked steering wheel boss myself, although for maximum psychological impact the spike would ideally be mounted about 14" lower. Doug and Lee interacting and egging each other on. A better example of the social reinforcement of bullying would be hard to find. The steering wheel spike is frequently quoted by police as being the only real item that would stop people riving like idiots. PL is only repeating what I've seen on telly several times. Doug, Lee and KeithT interacting and egging each other on. A better example of the social reinforcement of bullying would be hard to find. Unless another name can be added to the list. But we are only repeating what has been said by those who have to deal with the everyday mess that with is caused by poor and inconsiderate drivers. More than one person having seen or heard similar remarks from those qualified to investigate and interpret vehicle crashes are not engaged in some form of bullying. Real life - not something you seem to be that familiar with. Or is it just that you are jumping on the 'hate Doug' bandwagon which is is obvious bullying. -- Come to Dave & Boris - your cycle security experts. |
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"Cycling is not dangerous. Cars are dangerous."
Alex Potter wrote:
JNugent wrote on Sun, 13 Sep 2009 00:26:33 +0100: Banning buses, surely? Wrong. Try again. We already have several outstanding nominations for Context Snipper Of The Year. You'll have to do even better than your truncated post above (reproduced in full above) to be fully in the running. |
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"Cycling is not dangerous. Cars are dangerous."
Keitht wrote:
JNugent wrote: Keitht wrote: JNugent wrote: Phil W Lee wrote: Doug : Surely if every time a driver set off on a journey they knew they could be facing a long prison sentence for killing or seriously injuring someone they would drive much more carefully and have more respect for the safety of vulnerable cyclists and pedestrians? I favour the spiked steering wheel boss myself, although for maximum psychological impact the spike would ideally be mounted about 14" lower. Doug and Lee interacting and egging each other on. A better example of the social reinforcement of bullying would be hard to find. The steering wheel spike is frequently quoted by police as being the only real item that would stop people riving like idiots. PL is only repeating what I've seen on telly several times. Doug, Lee and KeithT interacting and egging each other on. A better example of the social reinforcement of bullying would be hard to find. Unless another name can be added to the list. But we are only repeating what has been said by those who have to deal with the everyday mess that with is caused by poor and inconsiderate drivers. It would be better if you all stopped, *thought* about the topic, *considered* it and then either: (a) made *sensible* suggestions instead of your usual fourth form level remarks, or (b) refrained from making any suggestions at all (since you don't appear to have any sensible ones to make). Option (b) would make you all look less silly and less like demented beings braying against the normal (and real) world. Motor cars are not going away this side of a world cataclysm. Get used to it. More than one person having seen or heard similar remarks from those qualified to investigate and interpret vehicle crashes are not engaged in some form of bullying. Real life - not something you seem to be that familiar with. Or is it just that you are jumping on the 'hate Doug' bandwagon which is is obvious bullying. I - as Doug ought to be the very first to admit - have never done that. When he is right (and he sometimes is), I support him. |
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"Cycling is not dangerous. Cars are dangerous."
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Alex Potter wrote: JNugent wrote on Sun, 13 Sep 2009 00:26:33 +0100: Banning buses, surely? Wrong. Try again. Why? In smaller cities, such as Cambridge, buses are not viable for enough of the trips to consider banning cars, for precisely the same reason that the traffic problems in Los Angeles (and that franchise of Mephisopheles himself) Las Vegas are not amenable to ANY public transport solution. If you think it through, a viable solution WOULD be to ban buses, and to introduce a continental-style implicit liability for people driving motor vehicles in the relevant area. But that's too radical to contemplate, so we shall continue to be inflicted with 'safe' solutions that obviously aren't going to work (and won't). Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
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"Cycling is not dangerous. Cars are dangerous."
On Sep 13, 10:04*am, "Brimstone"
wrote: Doug wrote: On 12 Sep, 10:36, "Brimstone" wrote: Simon Brooke wrote: On 12 Sep, 08:03, "mileburner" wrote: I would suggest that you keep an eye on the traffic and be prepared to get out of it's way if it is coming at you and looking like it is not going to stop. The roads are dangerous donchaknow? While I agree they are dangerous, the question is whether it is tolerable in a civilised society to allow them to be this dangerous? It seems to me that either the people who drive have got to get a lot better at driving (I include myself), or slow down drastically, or be prevented from driving. Current standards of driving skill in this country are not acceptable. How do you legislate for a driver suffering a heart attack whilst in motion? Give every driver a medical once a year and impose draconian sentencing when they kill vulnerable road users. How does that stop a driver suffering from a heart attack whilst driving, how would you pay for the additional new doctors required to carry out the check and what sentence would you impose on a dead car driver? Doug would get his mates to dig him up & blackmail his relatives. PeterG |
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"Cycling is not dangerous. Cars are dangerous."
JNugent wrote on Sun, 13 Sep 2009 00:26:33 +0100:
Alex Potter wrote: Alan Braggins wrote on Sat, 12 Sep 2009 20:31:00 +0100: Plenty of room if you ban cars. Somehow I suspect that's the answer MattB is looking for.... When it takes me (unfit, 62 year old) 3 times as long to travel from the city centre to my home by bus than it does by bike (I live just outside Birmingham's "Outer Circle" on one of Brum's radial roads), I suspect that the time for banning cars in most cities is long overdue. Banning buses, surely? Here you go, unsnipped. "Most" was probably a poor choice of word. Certainly in Birmingham, if car use, except in exceptional circumstances, was forbidden for local journeys (i.e. those inside the motorway box) and if the decline of the city's public transport was reversed then getting around would become much easier. Few places here are more than 5 or 10 minutes' walk from a bus stop, and we are no longer dependant on the car industry, which has for so long driven transport thinking here. -- Regards Alex http://www.badphorm.co.uk/ |
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"Cycling is not dangerous. Cars are dangerous."
"Brimstone" wrote in message ... Doug wrote: On 12 Sep, 10:36, "Brimstone" wrote: Simon Brooke wrote: On 12 Sep, 08:03, "mileburner" wrote: I would suggest that you keep an eye on the traffic and be prepared to get out of it's way if it is coming at you and looking like it is not going to stop. The roads are dangerous donchaknow? While I agree they are dangerous, the question is whether it is tolerable in a civilised society to allow them to be this dangerous? It seems to me that either the people who drive have got to get a lot better at driving (I include myself), or slow down drastically, or be prevented from driving. Current standards of driving skill in this country are not acceptable. How do you legislate for a driver suffering a heart attack whilst in motion? Give every driver a medical once a year and impose draconian sentencing when they kill vulnerable road users. How does that stop a driver suffering from a heart attack whilst driving, how would you pay for the additional new doctors required to carry out the check and what sentence would you impose on a dead car driver? Howsabout banning anyone from driving who has a BMI 25. That way it would dramatically reduce the probability of said driver having heart attack, it would mean all the fatties would be forced to walk a bit more and get some much needed exercise, and reduce the traffic at the same time Big problems often have very simple solutions. |
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