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Old May 30th 10, 11:08 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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Mrcheerful wrote:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/m...r/10189702.stm


How many deaths does it take before these killer machines are removed from
the roads?

Dave
Riding a bike is a licence to kill.



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Old May 30th 10, 11:14 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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Doug wrote:

So if a driver has to brake suddenly for any reason whatsoever,
which kills his passenger, then the cause of his sudden stop is to
blame, not the driver?


Yes Doug, that is how blame works.


If the bus driver just stopped suddenly just for the hell of it, it
would probably be his fault.


But as the cyclist (from what we know) caused the bus driver to stop
suddenly, then it is the cyclists fault.

Have you forgotten the Highway Code already or perhaps have never read
it?

"126
Stopping Distances


Are you completely & utterly ****ing stupid?

None of those are relevant to this incident. The cyclist is 100% at fault.
You can't wriggle out of it you ****wit.


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Old May 30th 10, 11:16 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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Squashme wrote:


The bus driver had to brake so sharply because he was travelling too
fast for the conditions. The cyclist pulled out because he misread the
busdriver's speed. The primary cause was the unexpected speed of the
busdriver.


FX Sound of desperate cyclist scraping bottom of barrel FX


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Old May 30th 10, 11:18 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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Squashme wrote:


I tend to hang on for dear life in our buses. They both accelerate and
brake suddenly. And the seats are slippy sometimes.


FX Sound of cyclist scraping bottom of even deeper barrelFX


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Old May 30th 10, 11:21 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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Doug wrote:
On 30 May, 09:27, "Mrcheerful" wrote:

There are many people to blame he from the road engineer to the
bus designer, through the old lady, via the bus driver. BUT if the
cyclist had not done some rather silly the effect would be that the
old ladies would still be ok. So the root cause of the incident is
still the cyclist, no matter how much you wriggle and whine.

Go read the Highway Code before posting more of your nonsense.

"126
Stopping Distances

Drive at a speed that will allow you to stop well within the distance
you can see to be clear."

I suppose the next excuse used by the motorists here is that the bus
driver didn't see the cyclist and so cannot be to blame. In that case
maybe they should be using blind bus drivers just to be on the safe
side regarding blame.


Come on Doug there are situations where a driver cannot predict that a
cyclist, pedestrian or other vehicle is going to suddenly appear without
warning. However where there are places where a conflict may occur (such as
passing parked cars and through junctions), the driver should be travelling
at a speed slow enough to minimise any damage to either party. When you get
these awful and sometimes horric accidents occur, much of the disaster may
have been avoided if the vehicles concerned were driving a bit slower and a
bit more cautiously.

People drive too fast around pedestrians and cyclists.

People drive too fast past parked cars and through junctions.


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Old May 30th 10, 11:28 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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mileburner wrote:
Doug wrote:




Let me get this straight. A vulnerable road user is blamed for the
death of a vulnerable victim so that the killer driver is absolved
from blame twice over? I wonder if this could also happen with a
trio, or more, of vulnerable road users/victims and one killer
driver? Difficult to envisage but maybe someone can come up with a
likely scenario.


What you observe is that those most likely to be guilty, are the ones
most in need of somone else to blame.

I am sure as time goes by the poor woman who died will be blamed as
well "she should not have been standing" or whatever reason fits.


There are times when you have to put your hands up and admit you are wrong.

The cyclist caused the death of an innocent bus passenger & injured another.
Then he ran away.

Even a pair of ****wits like you should have the sense to admit defeat.


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Old May 30th 10, 11:29 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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Mrcheerful wrote:

this incident may well have occurred at just walking speed (for the
bus) but would NOT have occurred except for the cyclists
mistake/deliberate action. So what speed would be appropriate for the
bus?


The image in the report looks more like a young lad on a BMX rather than a
cyclist.

When our local secondary school chucks out at 3.20, a torrent of BMXers pour
out of the school gates heading into town. They may be on the footpath
either side of the road, on the road and either side of the road (with some
going the wrong way against the traffic) jumping on and off kerbs, pulling
wheelies, crossing the road, and even weaving in-and-out of the dotted
centre line. The appropriate speed for driving through this teenage carnage
is about 10 mph. Many drivers simply drive too fast.


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Old May 30th 10, 11:31 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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Doug wrote:
On 30 May, 09:27, "Mrcheerful" wrote:
Doug wrote:
On 29 May, 18:34, "mileburner" wrote:
"Mrcheerful" wrote in message


news:1ubMn.15870$dN2.3151@hurricane...


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/m...r/10189702.stm


With all respect to everyone concerned, I would like to point out
that if the bus was not travelling quite so fast, it may not have
needed to brake so hard, and therefore the poor person may still be
alive.


I further realise that drivers generally like someone to blame and
this view may be unpopular.


Lower speed limits save lives.


And many bus drivers DLCs


Let me get this straight. A vulnerable road user is blamed for the
death of a vulnerable victim so that the killer driver is absolved
from blame twice over? I wonder if this could also happen with a
trio, or more, of vulnerable road users/victims and one killer
driver? Difficult to envisage but maybe someone can come up with a
likely scenario.


There are many people to blame he from the road engineer to the
bus designer, through the old lady, via the bus driver. BUT if the
cyclist had not done some rather silly the effect would be that the
old ladies would still be ok. So the root cause of the incident is
still the cyclist, no matter how much you wriggle and whine.

Go read the Highway Code before posting more of your nonsense.

"126
Stopping Distances

Drive at a speed that will allow you to stop well within the distance
you can see to be clear."


If the cyclist pulled out in front of the driver from a side road without
stopping the bus driver was following the code to the letter.

I suppose the next excuse used by the motorists here is that the bus
driver didn't see the cyclist and so cannot be to blame. In that case
maybe they should be using blind bus drivers just to be on the safe
side regarding blame.


Time to put your hands up **** for brains. You have nowhere to go.


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viable form of transport.


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Old May 30th 10, 11:36 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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mileburner wrote:

Mrcheerful wrote:

this incident may well have occurred at just walking speed (for the
bus) but would NOT have occurred except for the cyclists
mistake/deliberate action. So what speed would be appropriate for
the bus?


The image in the report looks more like a young lad on a BMX rather
than a cyclist.


So someone riding a bike, even a BMX bike, isn't a cyclist?

When our local secondary school chucks out at 3.20, a torrent of
BMXers pour out of the school gates heading into town. They may be on
the footpath either side of the road, on the road and either side of
the road (with some going the wrong way against the traffic) jumping
on and off kerbs, pulling wheelies, crossing the road, and even
weaving in-and-out of the dotted centre line. The appropriate speed
for driving through this teenage carnage is about 10 mph. Many
drivers simply drive too fast.


Are these not cyclists then? If not, what are they?

Why haven't you answered the actual question asked and instead just
added a couple of spurious thoughts of your own?

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Old May 30th 10, 11:55 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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Doug wrote:

Go read the Highway Code before posting more of your nonsense.

"126
Stopping Distances

Drive at a speed that will allow you to stop well within the distance
you can see to be clear."


Did the driver not stop then?

I suppose the next excuse used by the motorists here is that the bus
driver didn't see the cyclist and so cannot be to blame. In that case
maybe they should be using blind bus drivers just to be on the safe
side regarding blame.


Did the driver hit the ****wit cyclist that pulled out in front of him?
I suspect he saw him, braked and stopped within the necessary distance
otherwise he woiuld have hit him. What makes you suggest the driver
didn't see the cyclist?

Once again you display what you want to see, not what actually happened.

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