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Mrcheerful wrote:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/m...r/10189702.stm How many deaths does it take before these killer machines are removed from the roads? Dave Riding a bike is a licence to kill. |
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Doug wrote:
So if a driver has to brake suddenly for any reason whatsoever, which kills his passenger, then the cause of his sudden stop is to blame, not the driver? Yes Doug, that is how blame works. If the bus driver just stopped suddenly just for the hell of it, it would probably be his fault. But as the cyclist (from what we know) caused the bus driver to stop suddenly, then it is the cyclists fault. Have you forgotten the Highway Code already or perhaps have never read it? "126 Stopping Distances Are you completely & utterly ****ing stupid? None of those are relevant to this incident. The cyclist is 100% at fault. You can't wriggle out of it you ****wit. -- Dave - intelligent enough to realise that a push bike is a kid's toy, not a viable form of transport. |
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Squashme wrote:
The bus driver had to brake so sharply because he was travelling too fast for the conditions. The cyclist pulled out because he misread the busdriver's speed. The primary cause was the unexpected speed of the busdriver. FX Sound of desperate cyclist scraping bottom of barrel FX -- Dave - intelligent enough to realise that a push bike is a kid's toy, not a viable form of transport. |
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Squashme wrote:
I tend to hang on for dear life in our buses. They both accelerate and brake suddenly. And the seats are slippy sometimes. FX Sound of cyclist scraping bottom of even deeper barrelFX -- Dave - intelligent enough to realise that a push bike is a kid's toy, not a viable form of transport. |
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Doug wrote:
On 30 May, 09:27, "Mrcheerful" wrote: There are many people to blame he from the road engineer to the bus designer, through the old lady, via the bus driver. BUT if the cyclist had not done some rather silly the effect would be that the old ladies would still be ok. So the root cause of the incident is still the cyclist, no matter how much you wriggle and whine. Go read the Highway Code before posting more of your nonsense. "126 Stopping Distances Drive at a speed that will allow you to stop well within the distance you can see to be clear." I suppose the next excuse used by the motorists here is that the bus driver didn't see the cyclist and so cannot be to blame. In that case maybe they should be using blind bus drivers just to be on the safe side regarding blame. Come on Doug there are situations where a driver cannot predict that a cyclist, pedestrian or other vehicle is going to suddenly appear without warning. However where there are places where a conflict may occur (such as passing parked cars and through junctions), the driver should be travelling at a speed slow enough to minimise any damage to either party. When you get these awful and sometimes horric accidents occur, much of the disaster may have been avoided if the vehicles concerned were driving a bit slower and a bit more cautiously. People drive too fast around pedestrians and cyclists. People drive too fast past parked cars and through junctions. |
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mileburner wrote:
Doug wrote: Let me get this straight. A vulnerable road user is blamed for the death of a vulnerable victim so that the killer driver is absolved from blame twice over? I wonder if this could also happen with a trio, or more, of vulnerable road users/victims and one killer driver? Difficult to envisage but maybe someone can come up with a likely scenario. What you observe is that those most likely to be guilty, are the ones most in need of somone else to blame. I am sure as time goes by the poor woman who died will be blamed as well "she should not have been standing" or whatever reason fits. There are times when you have to put your hands up and admit you are wrong. The cyclist caused the death of an innocent bus passenger & injured another. Then he ran away. Even a pair of ****wits like you should have the sense to admit defeat. -- Dave - intelligent enough to realise that a push bike is a kid's toy, not a viable form of transport. |
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Mrcheerful wrote:
this incident may well have occurred at just walking speed (for the bus) but would NOT have occurred except for the cyclists mistake/deliberate action. So what speed would be appropriate for the bus? The image in the report looks more like a young lad on a BMX rather than a cyclist. When our local secondary school chucks out at 3.20, a torrent of BMXers pour out of the school gates heading into town. They may be on the footpath either side of the road, on the road and either side of the road (with some going the wrong way against the traffic) jumping on and off kerbs, pulling wheelies, crossing the road, and even weaving in-and-out of the dotted centre line. The appropriate speed for driving through this teenage carnage is about 10 mph. Many drivers simply drive too fast. |
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Doug wrote:
On 30 May, 09:27, "Mrcheerful" wrote: Doug wrote: On 29 May, 18:34, "mileburner" wrote: "Mrcheerful" wrote in message news:1ubMn.15870$dN2.3151@hurricane... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/m...r/10189702.stm With all respect to everyone concerned, I would like to point out that if the bus was not travelling quite so fast, it may not have needed to brake so hard, and therefore the poor person may still be alive. I further realise that drivers generally like someone to blame and this view may be unpopular. Lower speed limits save lives. And many bus drivers DLCs Let me get this straight. A vulnerable road user is blamed for the death of a vulnerable victim so that the killer driver is absolved from blame twice over? I wonder if this could also happen with a trio, or more, of vulnerable road users/victims and one killer driver? Difficult to envisage but maybe someone can come up with a likely scenario. There are many people to blame he from the road engineer to the bus designer, through the old lady, via the bus driver. BUT if the cyclist had not done some rather silly the effect would be that the old ladies would still be ok. So the root cause of the incident is still the cyclist, no matter how much you wriggle and whine. Go read the Highway Code before posting more of your nonsense. "126 Stopping Distances Drive at a speed that will allow you to stop well within the distance you can see to be clear." If the cyclist pulled out in front of the driver from a side road without stopping the bus driver was following the code to the letter. I suppose the next excuse used by the motorists here is that the bus driver didn't see the cyclist and so cannot be to blame. In that case maybe they should be using blind bus drivers just to be on the safe side regarding blame. Time to put your hands up **** for brains. You have nowhere to go. -- Dave - intelligent enough to realise that a push bike is a kid's toy, not a viable form of transport. |
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mileburner wrote:
Mrcheerful wrote: this incident may well have occurred at just walking speed (for the bus) but would NOT have occurred except for the cyclists mistake/deliberate action. So what speed would be appropriate for the bus? The image in the report looks more like a young lad on a BMX rather than a cyclist. So someone riding a bike, even a BMX bike, isn't a cyclist? When our local secondary school chucks out at 3.20, a torrent of BMXers pour out of the school gates heading into town. They may be on the footpath either side of the road, on the road and either side of the road (with some going the wrong way against the traffic) jumping on and off kerbs, pulling wheelies, crossing the road, and even weaving in-and-out of the dotted centre line. The appropriate speed for driving through this teenage carnage is about 10 mph. Many drivers simply drive too fast. Are these not cyclists then? If not, what are they? Why haven't you answered the actual question asked and instead just added a couple of spurious thoughts of your own? -- Paul - xxx '96/'97 Landrover Discovery 300 Tdi Dyna Tech Cro-Mo comp |
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Doug wrote:
Go read the Highway Code before posting more of your nonsense. "126 Stopping Distances Drive at a speed that will allow you to stop well within the distance you can see to be clear." Did the driver not stop then? I suppose the next excuse used by the motorists here is that the bus driver didn't see the cyclist and so cannot be to blame. In that case maybe they should be using blind bus drivers just to be on the safe side regarding blame. Did the driver hit the ****wit cyclist that pulled out in front of him? I suspect he saw him, braked and stopped within the necessary distance otherwise he woiuld have hit him. What makes you suggest the driver didn't see the cyclist? Once again you display what you want to see, not what actually happened. -- Paul - xxx '96/'97 Landrover Discovery 300 Tdi Dyna Tech Cro-Mo comp |
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