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HOW DANGEROUS IS CYCLING? DEPENDS ON WHICH NUMBERS YOU EMPHASISE.
On Fri, 24 May 2019 23:41:01 -0700 (PDT), Sir Ridesalot
wrote: On Saturday, May 25, 2019 at 2:22:22 AM UTC-4, John B. wrote: Snipped One might ask the question of whether there is some ulterior reason for wanting to build bike paths? After all, the advocate has been posting here for years with no mention of bicycle paths until very recently. Was he struck by lightening while on the road to Damascus? Are there other reasons? -- cheers, John B. WAY OFF TOPIC but... Just wondering why so many Americans/ex Americans use the word "lightening" (to make lighter) rather than the word "lightning" (a bolt/sheet of visible electricity in the sky)? I've seen this in so many places including online literature that it's made me curious. Cheers I don't know (and I'm hardly an authority of modern English :-) but it might be how we pronounce the word. But you are right that the correct spelling is "lightning". Next time I'll write "a flash of light" :-) You seem to be up rather late. Working night shift this week? -- cheers, John B. |
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On Saturday, May 25, 2019 at 7:22:22 AM UTC+1, John B. wrote:
Was he struck by lightening while on the road to Damascus? Nope. Are there other reasons? Yes. He was struck by enlightenment like a bolt of lightning from the heavens. Andre Jute English isn't my first language, not by half a dozen or so, but some people are just an embarrassment |
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On Saturday, May 25, 2019 at 3:12:56 AM UTC-4, John B. wrote:
On Fri, 24 May 2019 23:41:01 -0700 (PDT), Sir Ridesalot wrote: On Saturday, May 25, 2019 at 2:22:22 AM UTC-4, John B. wrote: Snipped One might ask the question of whether there is some ulterior reason for wanting to build bike paths? After all, the advocate has been posting here for years with no mention of bicycle paths until very recently. Was he struck by lightening while on the road to Damascus? Are there other reasons? -- cheers, John B. WAY OFF TOPIC but... Just wondering why so many Americans/ex Americans use the word "lightening" (to make lighter) rather than the word "lightning" (a bolt/sheet of visible electricity in the sky)? I've seen this in so many places including online literature that it's made me curious. Cheers I don't know (and I'm hardly an authority of modern English :-) but it might be how we pronounce the word. But you are right that the correct spelling is "lightning". Next time I'll write "a flash of light" :-) You seem to be up rather late. Working night shift this week? -- cheers, John B. Not working nights. Retired. Also have sleep disorders. Do a lot of riding at night though = roads are really quiet. Just need to watch for the critters on the shoulders of the roads and make sure said critters don't cross right in front of me. Cheers |
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On Sat, 25 May 2019 02:04:07 -0700 (PDT), Sir Ridesalot
wrote: On Saturday, May 25, 2019 at 3:12:56 AM UTC-4, John B. wrote: On Fri, 24 May 2019 23:41:01 -0700 (PDT), Sir Ridesalot wrote: On Saturday, May 25, 2019 at 2:22:22 AM UTC-4, John B. wrote: Snipped One might ask the question of whether there is some ulterior reason for wanting to build bike paths? After all, the advocate has been posting here for years with no mention of bicycle paths until very recently. Was he struck by lightening while on the road to Damascus? Are there other reasons? -- cheers, John B. WAY OFF TOPIC but... Just wondering why so many Americans/ex Americans use the word "lightening" (to make lighter) rather than the word "lightning" (a bolt/sheet of visible electricity in the sky)? I've seen this in so many places including online literature that it's made me curious. Cheers I don't know (and I'm hardly an authority of modern English :-) but it might be how we pronounce the word. But you are right that the correct spelling is "lightning". Next time I'll write "a flash of light" :-) You seem to be up rather late. Working night shift this week? -- cheers, John B. Not working nights. Retired. Also have sleep disorders. Do a lot of riding at night though = roads are really quiet. Just need to watch for the critters on the shoulders of the roads and make sure said critters don't cross right in front of me. Cheers If you don't sleep at night when do you sleep? I had a similar problem but then we moved to the country and now get up at 05:00 and I don't seem to have a problem in getting to sleep any more. -- cheers, John B. |
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Andre Jute wrote:
On Friday, May 24, 2019 at 11:36:33 PM UTC+1, Duane wrote: Andre Jute wrote: On Friday, May 24, 2019 at 5:36:16 PM UTC+1, jbeattie wrote to Krygowski: Risk is different for different riders. If you JRA at 12mph on dry village streets, you are at low risk of injury. If you ride in snow, ice and rain on steep, broken roads, you are at a higher risk of injury. If you do laps in the Arc d'Triumph roundabout or filtering through London traffic, you're in a whole other risk category. And then, each of those categories is modified further by skill and experience. -- Jay Beattie. I've given up trying to educate that obstinate jerk, Frank Krygowski. But I must congratulate you on a good job, though your success will, like all past efforts, be temporary. Bad pennies keep turning up. You might add that, if you're on a road bike with narrow tyres, your risk of an incident is higher than if you're on balloons (50mm wide and up) though only if on downhills you proceed at the same pace as you would on narrow tyres rather than taking advantage of the greater capability of the balloons. Andre Jute 2.0 bar Jay is correct. Risk is different for different riders and even for the same rider in different circumstances. All cycling is not the same. Sometime I’m trudging through the traffic alone commuting to work. Sometimes I’m out in the country in a group pushing it. Both have different parameters regarding risk etc. Some cyclists do only one or the other. Some do both. Hard to group them together statistically. And what would be the point anyway? -- duane I understand what you two are getting at, and I agree. But the actuary of an insurance company would be interested in the average danger in a representative year to all the cyclists in his demographic universe, simply as a base number from which to offset the factors we've already cited, plus no doubt others so that individual quotes can be prepared that will be different for me, riding in a country area and you, riding in a great metropolis. We've already had an example of where it has become difficult to get insurance for a mass ride of very occasional riders, where the cause might be insufficient data to make a rational quote, too many payouts for automobile crashes on that particular piece of road (from an insurance company's viewpoint not irrelevant at all), prior unprofitable experience insuring such mass bicycle rides, or simply common sense skepticism. You have to keep these two ideas, one based on demographics in large universes, one based on particular risks in particular places, separate, because the statistical principles applying to them are quite as different as the underlying assumptions of macro- and micro-economics.That is what's so tiresome about Krygowski's ignorant insistence that all you need is a technician's rote-learned math and Leontiev is your uncle: hey, presto, you understand statistics! This ignorance and insensitivity to people, coupled to immorality, is what drives Krygowski's repeated attempts to argue from the particular (that what he himself does is superior to what anyone else does) to the general, and then to assume that 200 or 300 unnecessarily dead cyclists every year don't matter. Andre Jute Actuaries rule Well statistics in the macro sense can serve to direct solutions to macro problems but don’t serve much use on the micro level. I think I was taught that in a first year stats course. But I think that’s what you just said. -- duane |
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Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Saturday, May 25, 2019 at 2:22:22 AM UTC-4, John B. wrote: Snipped One might ask the question of whether there is some ulterior reason for wanting to build bike paths? After all, the advocate has been posting here for years with no mention of bicycle paths until very recently. Was he struck by lightening while on the road to Damascus? Are there other reasons? -- cheers, John B. WAY OFF TOPIC but... Just wondering why so many Americans/ex Americans use the word "lightening" (to make lighter) rather than the word "lightning" (a bolt/sheet of visible electricity in the sky)? I've seen this in so many places including online literature that it's made me curious. Cheers Poor schooling. -- duane |
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On 5/25/2019 4:25 AM, Duane wrote:
snip Well statistics in the macro sense can serve to direct solutions to macro problems but don’t serve much use on the micro level. I think I was taught that in a first year stats course. But I think that’s what you just said. Statistics are notoriously bad in protecting you in a head-impact crash. |
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On Saturday, May 25, 2019 at 6:19:02 AM UTC-4, John B. wrote:
On Sat, 25 May 2019 02:04:07 -0700 (PDT), Sir Ridesalot wrote: On Saturday, May 25, 2019 at 3:12:56 AM UTC-4, John B. wrote: On Fri, 24 May 2019 23:41:01 -0700 (PDT), Sir Ridesalot wrote: On Saturday, May 25, 2019 at 2:22:22 AM UTC-4, John B. wrote: Snipped One might ask the question of whether there is some ulterior reason for wanting to build bike paths? After all, the advocate has been posting here for years with no mention of bicycle paths until very recently. Was he struck by lightening while on the road to Damascus? Are there other reasons? -- cheers, John B. WAY OFF TOPIC but... Just wondering why so many Americans/ex Americans use the word "lightening" (to make lighter) rather than the word "lightning" (a bolt/sheet of visible electricity in the sky)? I've seen this in so many places including online literature that it's made me curious. Cheers I don't know (and I'm hardly an authority of modern English :-) but it might be how we pronounce the word. But you are right that the correct spelling is "lightning". Next time I'll write "a flash of light" :-) You seem to be up rather late. Working night shift this week? -- cheers, John B. Not working nights. Retired. Also have sleep disorders. Do a lot of riding at night though = roads are really quiet. Just need to watch for the critters on the shoulders of the roads and make sure said critters don't cross right in front of me. Cheers If you don't sleep at night when do you sleep? I had a similar problem but then we moved to the country and now get up at 05:00 and I don't seem to have a problem in getting to sleep any more. -- cheers, John B. Sometimes I sleep at night for a bit; other times I sleep during the day. It all depends on when I can get top sleep and stay asleep. Cheers |
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On 5/25/2019 2:41 AM, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Saturday, May 25, 2019 at 2:22:22 AM UTC-4, John B. wrote: Snipped One might ask the question of whether there is some ulterior reason for wanting to build bike paths? After all, the advocate has been posting here for years with no mention of bicycle paths until very recently. Was he struck by lightening while on the road to Damascus? Are there other reasons? -- cheers, John B. WAY OFF TOPIC but... Just wondering why so many Americans/ex Americans use the word "lightening" (to make lighter) rather than the word "lightning" (a bolt/sheet of visible electricity in the sky)? I've seen this in so many places including online literature that it's made me curious. It's just a common misspelling, and one that software spell checkers don't flag as wrong because it's still a legitimate word in other contexts. An even more common one is "loose" instead of "lose." I've known very highly educated, very intelligent people who repeatedly make that mistake. I wouldn't loose any sleep over the mispellings. -- - Frank Krygowski |
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On 5/25/2019 10:18 AM, sms wrote:
On 5/25/2019 4:25 AM, Duane wrote: snip Well statistics in the macro sense can serve to direct solutions to macro problems but don’t serve much use on the micro level.Â* I think I was taught that in a first year stats course.Â* But I think that’s what you just said. Statistics are notoriously bad in protecting you in a head-impact crash. Tell that to the thousands of pedestrians who get them. -- - Frank Krygowski |
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