To the cyclist this morning on Upper Ground ~ 9.45am

Just approaching Blackfriars Bridge, a lady starts to cross the road
with a dog. I was following a bike. The reason I stopped and the
reason you should have, was because it was a f*ck*ng guide dog.

"elyob" wrote in message
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Just approaching Blackfriars Bridge, a lady starts to cross the road
with a dog. I was following a bike. The reason I stopped and the
reason you should have, was because it was a f*ck*ng guide dog.

I agree with you 100% but.....

If you were that close the guide dog needs further training to not walk out
into the road when bikes are approaching.

I still agree with your post though.

On 11 Mar, 11:56, "Bill" wrote:
"elyob" wrote in message

...

Just approaching Blackfriars Bridge, a lady starts to cross the road
with a dog. I was following a bike. The reason I stopped and the
reason you should have, was because it was a f*ck*ng guide dog.

I agree with you 100% *but.....

If you were that close the guide dog needs further training to not walk out
into the road when bikes are approaching.

I still agree with your post though.

I think she led the charge, not hearing anything.

On 11 Mar, 11:56, "Bill" wrote:
"elyob" wrote in message

...

Just approaching Blackfriars Bridge, a lady starts to cross the road
with a dog. I was following a bike. The reason I stopped and the
reason you should have, was because it was a f*ck*ng guide dog.

I agree with you 100% *but.....

If you were that close the guide dog needs further training to not walk out
into the road when bikes are approaching.

I still agree with your post though.

Oh, and it's a one way street there. Perhaps the dog didn't realise
there was a contra-flow and thought we were cycling the wrong way up a
one way street. Thought it'd teach us a lesson.

Bill wrote:
"elyob" wrote in message
...
Just approaching Blackfriars Bridge, a lady starts to cross the road
with a dog. I was following a bike. The reason I stopped and the
reason you should have, was because it was a f*ck*ng guide dog.

I agree with you 100% but.....

If you were that close the guide dog needs further training to not walk out
into the road when bikes are approaching.

Do cyclists have priority over pedestrians on the road?

I'm not "trolling" here, but the question of priority on the road is a
very interesting one. I know common sense dictates that the more
vulnerable give precedence to the less vulnerable, but does anyone know
if there is a law covering it? We tend to assume that the road between
the kerbs is dedicated to vehicles, but I'm not so sure.

If, as a pedestrian, I strided out across a busy road, with the sole
purpose of getting from A to B, could I (if I survived the experience)
be charged with any offence? I wonder.

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Matt B

On Wed, 11 Mar 2009 12:31:20 +0000, Matt B
wrote:

Bill wrote:
"elyob" wrote in message
...
Just approaching Blackfriars Bridge, a lady starts to cross the road
with a dog. I was following a bike. The reason I stopped and the
reason you should have, was because it was a f*ck*ng guide dog.

I agree with you 100% but.....

If you were that close the guide dog needs further training to not walk out
into the road when bikes are approaching.

Do cyclists have priority over pedestrians on the road?

I'm not "trolling" here, but the question of priority on the road is a
very interesting one. I know common sense dictates that the more
vulnerable give precedence to the less vulnerable, but does anyone know
if there is a law covering it? We tend to assume that the road between
the kerbs is dedicated to vehicles, but I'm not so sure.

If, as a pedestrian, I strided out across a busy road, with the sole
purpose of getting from A to B, could I (if I survived the experience)
be charged with any offence? I wonder.

I think you must be able to cross the road where and when you want
(with some specifically-legislated exceptions, such as motorways).
ISTR an experiment to curb (if you'll pardon the pun) this behaviour
in the 60's in some roads in London (Fleet Street was one for sure)
where red lines were painted on the kerbs with breaks at "approved"
crossing points. It was illegal to cross a red line. I remember
policemen with loudhailers reminding "errant" peds when the lines
first appeared. Can't remember how long they lasted, but it wasn't
long.

On Wed, 11 Mar 2009 04:28:39 -0700 (PDT), elyob
said in
:

Just approaching Blackfriars Bridge, a lady starts to cross the road
with a dog. I was following a bike. The reason I stopped and the
reason you should have, was because it was a f*ck*ng guide dog.

You ride there most days? We've probably passed each other, had we
but known it :-)

And I agree with you. Whoever was in the right a bike can startle
even a well-trained a dog, and that is something you just don't need
in this situation.

Guy
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On 11 Mar, 12:31, Matt B wrote:
Bill wrote:
"elyob" wrote in message
....
Just approaching Blackfriars Bridge, a lady starts to cross the road
with a dog. I was following a bike. The reason I stopped and the
reason you should have, was because it was a f*ck*ng guide dog.

I agree with you 100% *but.....

If you were that close the guide dog needs further training to not walk out
into the road when bikes are approaching.

Do cyclists have priority over pedestrians on the road?

I'm not "trolling" here, but the question of priority on the road is a
very interesting one. *I know common sense dictates that the more
vulnerable give precedence to the less vulnerable, but does anyone know
if there is a law covering it? *We tend to assume that the road between
the kerbs is dedicated to vehicles, but I'm not so sure.

If, as a pedestrian, I strided out across a busy road, with the sole
purpose of getting from A to B, could I (if I survived the experience)
be charged with any offence? I wonder.


There is no applicable 'offence' of eg jaywalking in the UK. At common
law of civil liability the pedestrian and motorist each owe the other
a reasonable duty of care. In the practical situation, a pedestrian
walking out suddenly in front of a vehicle would not be showing the
motorist a reasonable duty of care, and, for practical purposes fast
moving traffic wouldn't be expected to stop for every pedestrian
showing intent to cross the road. For vehicle and pedestrians at, say,
minor junctions, the situation is more balanced, e.g. as I recall the
highway code in effect says the pedestrian should check no traffic is
turning before they step off the pavement, but says traffic should
give way to a pedestrian who is already crossing the road into which
they are turning. There is no hard and fast general rule : it depends
on a reasonable duty of care subject to the prevailing traffic
situation and location. It is largely a civil law matter applicable
only when some damage or injury occurs, except where a driver/cyclist
is acting carelessly or dangerously as defined by the RTAs.
(Pedestrians who do act carelessly or negligently and have civil
action taken against them will usually be indemnified if they have
have household or other insurance which covers general public
liability - most household policies also cover cyclists liabilities
for third party damge or injury under the same section).

Toom

On Wed, 11 Mar 2009 04:28:39 -0700 (PDT), elyob
wrote:

Just approaching Blackfriars Bridge, a lady starts to cross the road
with a dog. I was following a bike. The reason I stopped and the
reason you should have, was because it was a f*ck*ng guide dog.


I think you will find that Mr Guy Chapman of this group cycles in that
area in the morning ........
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In the UK in 2007
There were 30,959 pedestrians injured in traffice accidents
There were 16,415 cyclists injured in traffic accidents

I wonder what the relative numbers of pedestrians and cyclists
in the UK is?

It looks like cycling is much more dangerous than being a pedestrian.

On Wed, 11 Mar 2009 07:53:34 -0700 (PDT), Toom Tabard
wrote:

snip

most household policies also cover cyclists liabilities
for third party damge or injury under the same section).

Toom



But I think that those who are relying on payout for say a head injury
will find that their insurance may not cover them (or at least 100%)
if they are not wearing a cycle helmet.

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In the UK in 2007
There were 30,959 pedestrians injured in traffice accidents
There were 16,415 cyclists injured in traffic accidents

I wonder what the relative numbers of pedestrians and cyclists
in the UK is?

It looks like cycling is much more dangerous than being a pedestrian.