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On 2019-11-05 18:38, jbeattie wrote:
On Tuesday, November 5, 2019 at 10:05:03 AM UTC-8, Joerg wrote: On 2019-11-05 08:35, jbeattie wrote: On Tuesday, November 5, 2019 at 6:55:56 AM UTC-8, Joerg wrote: On 2019-11-05 04:21, wrote: On Monday, November 4, 2019 at 10:35:51 PM UTC+1, Joerg wrote: On 2019-10-16 09:44, Tom Kunich wrote: My Basso Loto was one of the final steel versions. It seemed to have a perfect ride. However, since I took it apart to refinish it I got the Lemond and between the ride of the Colnago CLX 3.0 and the ride of the Lemond Zurich made out of Reynolds 853 I will have to test it again. In any case it will be my spare rider. Presently I have the frame and fork in the powder coaters and expect them to get around to it around the end of next week. I was not enthused about the original colors of the Loto - Yellow and Blue with a red highlight. So I'm having it a solid "transparent blue" which they had a sample of when I was there. A hot rodder was having his rims coated. I had been planning on Candy Apple Blue but they had a hot rodder's transmission there finished in that color and the "Transparent Blue" looked a little cleaner. These guys have gone from finishing store shelves and the like to coating entire cars for hot rodders in the Trump economy. They had a pickup truck there they were about to put in the oven while I was there. It would cook to a metallic yellow. After I pick the frame and fork up I will have to get a set of Basso Loto decals, then coat the entire frame with clear. I learned from the last try on the Pinarello and will use many very light coats instead of a few heavy. And then have the bottom bracket threads cleaned and the Campy headset that was in it re-installed. I just finished building a tubeless wheel up. The deep carbon wheels are remarkably difficult to build. Off and on it took me three days to get that thing properly centered and true when I could build an aluminum wheel in a couple of hours easy. Wow, you are really going all out when it comes to your rides. I am the exact opposite. Both my MTB and my road bike have lots of scrapes and are generally caked in copious amounts of dried mud. Add in a few grease streaks and some vegetation mashed deep into the works here and there. My wife thinks the bikes look disgusting but then again this greatly reduces the chance of them being stolen. The money for the decals would in my case be invested in IPA, Imperial Stout or something similar. So you are a really tough guy then. It makes you proud? OK...oh wait are you not the one who cleans his chain with inter dental brushes? That is really girlisch... No, that's smart. It milks a lot more miles out of a chain than other mountain bikers on similar trails get. Out of curiosity, how do you know that? Do you stop other cyclists on the trail and say "hey, how many miles do you get out of your chains, and do you use dental brushes to clean them link-by-link"? I regularly talk with other MTB riders at brewpubs. Most said they don't even get 1000mi out of a chain. What kind of chain are they using? 8/9/10/11 speed? What are you using? And what does flossing between the links do to clean out the pin-bushing interface? You would probably do better with conventional cleaning and lubrication. Most are 10-speed, rarely 9-speed. KMC seems to be the main brand and that is what I also use. Doesn't matter, the chains are similar. It's not flossing but I am (re-) using these: https://www.costco.com/gum-soft-pick...100526764.html What it does is remove oily and grimy clumps and "plaque" from the area where the rollers tough the links. Otherwise the new lube won't go in there well. Yes, a chain wash is better but that requires liquids, drying, and is environmentally questionalbe IMO because you have to dump the resulting oily liquid somewhere. And don't do that in the sink or the open space. I thoroughly clean and maintain moving or mission-critical stuff, very regularly. Chain, sprockets, brake components, bearings, lights et cetera. Whether the downtube has mud caked on it or not is only a cosmetic difference. Oh yeah, and it may cost me 0.1% in my average speed. One major upside of a muddy-looking bike is that potential thieves generally don't want that one. They go for another bike. Again, how do you know that? Do you do A/B theft tests -- muddy versus non-muddy bikes? Maybe put a muddy, unlocked S-Works Tarmac Di2 bike next to a super-clean Huffy POS and see which gets stolen first? Of course I mean similar bikes. Di2 is an invitation "Steal me, steal me!". Most thieves around here are after a quick buck to feed their drug habits. A nice shiny name brand bike will instantly get them their $30 or whatever at the cladestine chop shop, a filthy one won't. It's rather obvious and I had talked at length with law enforcement experts about such things. They said the same thing about homes. A modest abode has a lower chance of being broken into versus a manicured mansion. Law enforcement officers know about the relative number of muddy versus non-muddy bikes that get stolen. Incroyable. I seems to me like one would have to do A/B testing to prove that point. They do know about the chance of ugly versus non-ugly items being stolen. These were case investigors, not patrol officers. But even those know if seasoned enough. The key is what I had mentioned: How marketable is a stolen item and how quickly can it be turned into drug money? The shiny bike gets them money fast, the ugly one gets them nothing. So ... -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ |
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On Wednesday, November 6, 2019 at 4:49:16 AM UTC+1, jbeattie wrote:
On Tuesday, November 5, 2019 at 12:36:36 PM UTC-8, Tom Kunich wrote: On Tuesday, November 5, 2019 at 8:35:28 AM UTC-8, jbeattie wrote: On Tuesday, November 5, 2019 at 6:55:56 AM UTC-8, Joerg wrote: On 2019-11-05 04:21, wrote: On Monday, November 4, 2019 at 10:35:51 PM UTC+1, Joerg wrote: On 2019-10-16 09:44, Tom Kunich wrote: My Basso Loto was one of the final steel versions. It seemed to have a perfect ride. However, since I took it apart to refinish it I got the Lemond and between the ride of the Colnago CLX 3.0 and the ride of the Lemond Zurich made out of Reynolds 853 I will have to test it again. In any case it will be my spare rider. Presently I have the frame and fork in the powder coaters and expect them to get around to it around the end of next week. I was not enthused about the original colors of the Loto - Yellow and Blue with a red highlight. So I'm having it a solid "transparent blue" which they had a sample of when I was there. A hot rodder was having his rims coated. I had been planning on Candy Apple Blue but they had a hot rodder's transmission there finished in that color and the "Transparent Blue" looked a little cleaner. These guys have gone from finishing store shelves and the like to coating entire cars for hot rodders in the Trump economy. They had a pickup truck there they were about to put in the oven while I was there. It would cook to a metallic yellow. After I pick the frame and fork up I will have to get a set of Basso Loto decals, then coat the entire frame with clear. I learned from the last try on the Pinarello and will use many very light coats instead of a few heavy. And then have the bottom bracket threads cleaned and the Campy headset that was in it re-installed. I just finished building a tubeless wheel up. The deep carbon wheels are remarkably difficult to build. Off and on it took me three days to get that thing properly centered and true when I could build an aluminum wheel in a couple of hours easy. Wow, you are really going all out when it comes to your rides. I am the exact opposite. Both my MTB and my road bike have lots of scrapes and are generally caked in copious amounts of dried mud. Add in a few grease streaks and some vegetation mashed deep into the works here and there. My wife thinks the bikes look disgusting but then again this greatly reduces the chance of them being stolen. The money for the decals would in my case be invested in IPA, Imperial Stout or something similar. So you are a really tough guy then. It makes you proud? OK...oh wait are you not the one who cleans his chain with inter dental brushes? That is really girlisch... No, that's smart. It milks a lot more miles out of a chain than other mountain bikers on similar trails get. Out of curiosity, how do you know that? Do you stop other cyclists on the trail and say "hey, how many miles do you get out of your chains, and do you use dental brushes to clean them link-by-link"? I thoroughly clean and maintain moving or mission-critical stuff, very regularly. Chain, sprockets, brake components, bearings, lights et cetera. Whether the downtube has mud caked on it or not is only a cosmetic difference. Oh yeah, and it may cost me 0.1% in my average speed. One major upside of a muddy-looking bike is that potential thieves generally don't want that one. They go for another bike. Again, how do you know that? Do you do A/B theft tests -- muddy versus non-muddy bikes? Maybe put a muddy, unlocked S-Works Tarmac Di2 bike next to a super-clean Huffy POS and see which gets stolen first? -- Jay Beattie. Do you own an MTB? Those chains take a terrible beating and I seldom got 1,000 miles on them if that much whenever there was anything even resembling a water crossing. And this was a good KMC chain. If you don't ride MTB's why the hell are you even talking about it? Pfff. My road bike chains see more water in one fall/winter than most mountain bike chains see in years of river crossings. And no, I sold my last mountain bike and now have a CX bike and a gravel bike. After selling my FS last year I sold my hardtail ATB yesterday. After getting a cross bike 6 years ago an ATB felt so sluggish that I hardly use them. A cross bike is so much more fun off road. Lou |
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On Wednesday, November 6, 2019 at 11:27:37 AM UTC-8, wrote:
On Wednesday, November 6, 2019 at 4:49:16 AM UTC+1, jbeattie wrote: On Tuesday, November 5, 2019 at 12:36:36 PM UTC-8, Tom Kunich wrote: On Tuesday, November 5, 2019 at 8:35:28 AM UTC-8, jbeattie wrote: On Tuesday, November 5, 2019 at 6:55:56 AM UTC-8, Joerg wrote: On 2019-11-05 04:21, wrote: On Monday, November 4, 2019 at 10:35:51 PM UTC+1, Joerg wrote: On 2019-10-16 09:44, Tom Kunich wrote: My Basso Loto was one of the final steel versions. It seemed to have a perfect ride. However, since I took it apart to refinish it I got the Lemond and between the ride of the Colnago CLX 3..0 and the ride of the Lemond Zurich made out of Reynolds 853 I will have to test it again. In any case it will be my spare rider. Presently I have the frame and fork in the powder coaters and expect them to get around to it around the end of next week. I was not enthused about the original colors of the Loto - Yellow and Blue with a red highlight. So I'm having it a solid "transparent blue" which they had a sample of when I was there. A hot rodder was having his rims coated. I had been planning on Candy Apple Blue but they had a hot rodder's transmission there finished in that color and the "Transparent Blue" looked a little cleaner. These guys have gone from finishing store shelves and the like to coating entire cars for hot rodders in the Trump economy. They had a pickup truck there they were about to put in the oven while I was there. It would cook to a metallic yellow. After I pick the frame and fork up I will have to get a set of Basso Loto decals, then coat the entire frame with clear. I learned from the last try on the Pinarello and will use many very light coats instead of a few heavy. And then have the bottom bracket threads cleaned and the Campy headset that was in it re-installed. I just finished building a tubeless wheel up. The deep carbon wheels are remarkably difficult to build. Off and on it took me three days to get that thing properly centered and true when I could build an aluminum wheel in a couple of hours easy. Wow, you are really going all out when it comes to your rides. I am the exact opposite. Both my MTB and my road bike have lots of scrapes and are generally caked in copious amounts of dried mud. Add in a few grease streaks and some vegetation mashed deep into the works here and there. My wife thinks the bikes look disgusting but then again this greatly reduces the chance of them being stolen. The money for the decals would in my case be invested in IPA, Imperial Stout or something similar. So you are a really tough guy then. It makes you proud? OK...oh wait are you not the one who cleans his chain with inter dental brushes? That is really girlisch... No, that's smart. It milks a lot more miles out of a chain than other mountain bikers on similar trails get. Out of curiosity, how do you know that? Do you stop other cyclists on the trail and say "hey, how many miles do you get out of your chains, and do you use dental brushes to clean them link-by-link"? I thoroughly clean and maintain moving or mission-critical stuff, very regularly. Chain, sprockets, brake components, bearings, lights et cetera. Whether the downtube has mud caked on it or not is only a cosmetic difference. Oh yeah, and it may cost me 0.1% in my average speed. One major upside of a muddy-looking bike is that potential thieves generally don't want that one. They go for another bike. Again, how do you know that? Do you do A/B theft tests -- muddy versus non-muddy bikes? Maybe put a muddy, unlocked S-Works Tarmac Di2 bike next to a super-clean Huffy POS and see which gets stolen first? -- Jay Beattie. Do you own an MTB? Those chains take a terrible beating and I seldom got 1,000 miles on them if that much whenever there was anything even resembling a water crossing. And this was a good KMC chain. If you don't ride MTB's why the hell are you even talking about it? Pfff. My road bike chains see more water in one fall/winter than most mountain bike chains see in years of river crossings. And no, I sold my last mountain bike and now have a CX bike and a gravel bike. After selling my FS last year I sold my hardtail ATB yesterday. After getting a cross bike 6 years ago an ATB felt so sluggish that I hardly use them. A cross bike is so much more fun off road. Lou That's what I discovered as well with one exception - you cannot have super-low gearing because unlike an MTB, the front end is a great deal lighter and low gears will lift the front end rather than allow you better climbing. Cyclocross bikes are made to be carried up steep climbs or deep mud. |
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On 2019-11-06 11:35, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Wednesday, November 6, 2019 at 11:27:37 AM UTC-8, wrote: On Wednesday, November 6, 2019 at 4:49:16 AM UTC+1, jbeattie wrote: On Tuesday, November 5, 2019 at 12:36:36 PM UTC-8, Tom Kunich wrote: On Tuesday, November 5, 2019 at 8:35:28 AM UTC-8, jbeattie wrote: On Tuesday, November 5, 2019 at 6:55:56 AM UTC-8, Joerg wrote: On 2019-11-05 04:21, wrote: On Monday, November 4, 2019 at 10:35:51 PM UTC+1, Joerg wrote: On 2019-10-16 09:44, Tom Kunich wrote: My Basso Loto was one of the final steel versions. It seemed to have a perfect ride. However, since I took it apart to refinish it I got the Lemond and between the ride of the Colnago CLX 3.0 and the ride of the Lemond Zurich made out of Reynolds 853 I will have to test it again. In any case it will be my spare rider. Presently I have the frame and fork in the powder coaters and expect them to get around to it around the end of next week. I was not enthused about the original colors of the Loto - Yellow and Blue with a red highlight. So I'm having it a solid "transparent blue" which they had a sample of when I was there. A hot rodder was having his rims coated. I had been planning on Candy Apple Blue but they had a hot rodder's transmission there finished in that color and the "Transparent Blue" looked a little cleaner. These guys have gone from finishing store shelves and the like to coating entire cars for hot rodders in the Trump economy. They had a pickup truck there they were about to put in the oven while I was there. It would cook to a metallic yellow. After I pick the frame and fork up I will have to get a set of Basso Loto decals, then coat the entire frame with clear. I learned from the last try on the Pinarello and will use many very light coats instead of a few heavy. And then have the bottom bracket threads cleaned and the Campy headset that was in it re-installed. I just finished building a tubeless wheel up. The deep carbon wheels are remarkably difficult to build. Off and on it took me three days to get that thing properly centered and true when I could build an aluminum wheel in a couple of hours easy. Wow, you are really going all out when it comes to your rides. I am the exact opposite. Both my MTB and my road bike have lots of scrapes and are generally caked in copious amounts of dried mud. Add in a few grease streaks and some vegetation mashed deep into the works here and there. My wife thinks the bikes look disgusting but then again this greatly reduces the chance of them being stolen. The money for the decals would in my case be invested in IPA, Imperial Stout or something similar. So you are a really tough guy then. It makes you proud? OK...oh wait are you not the one who cleans his chain with inter dental brushes? That is really girlisch... No, that's smart. It milks a lot more miles out of a chain than other mountain bikers on similar trails get. Out of curiosity, how do you know that? Do you stop other cyclists on the trail and say "hey, how many miles do you get out of your chains, and do you use dental brushes to clean them link-by-link"? I thoroughly clean and maintain moving or mission-critical stuff, very regularly. Chain, sprockets, brake components, bearings, lights et cetera. Whether the downtube has mud caked on it or not is only a cosmetic difference. Oh yeah, and it may cost me 0.1% in my average speed. One major upside of a muddy-looking bike is that potential thieves generally don't want that one. They go for another bike. Again, how do you know that? Do you do A/B theft tests -- muddy versus non-muddy bikes? Maybe put a muddy, unlocked S-Works Tarmac Di2 bike next to a super-clean Huffy POS and see which gets stolen first? -- Jay Beattie. Do you own an MTB? Those chains take a terrible beating and I seldom got 1,000 miles on them if that much whenever there was anything even resembling a water crossing. And this was a good KMC chain. If you don't ride MTB's why the hell are you even talking about it? Pfff. My road bike chains see more water in one fall/winter than most mountain bike chains see in years of river crossings. And no, I sold my last mountain bike and now have a CX bike and a gravel bike. After selling my FS last year I sold my hardtail ATB yesterday. After getting a cross bike 6 years ago an ATB felt so sluggish that I hardly use them. A cross bike is so much more fun off road. Lou That's what I discovered as well with one exception - you cannot have super-low gearing because unlike an MTB, the front end is a great deal lighter and low gears will lift the front end rather than allow you better climbing. Cyclocross bikes are made to be carried up steep climbs or deep mud. This would not be much fun on a CX bike, one of my regular routes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5cjAW_nrl4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1USLVraV4mU For people with lower back issues it's even tougher. Once I forgot to unlock my rear shock when coming off the road. Only for a mile until I realized a back pain. I paid for that all day long. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ |
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On 2019-11-05 14:43, John B. wrote:
On Tue, 5 Nov 2019 18:40:55 +0000 (UTC), David Scheidt wrote: Frank Krygowski wrote: :On 11/5/2019 9:55 AM, Joerg wrote: : On 2019-11-05 04:21, wrote: : On Monday, November 4, 2019 at 10:35:51 PM UTC+1, Joerg wrote: : On 2019-10-16 09:44, Tom Kunich wrote: : My Basso Loto was one of the final steel versions. It seemed to : have a perfect ride. However, since I took it apart to refinish : it I got the Lemond and between the ride of the Colnago CLX 3.0 : and the ride of the Lemond Zurich made out of Reynolds 853 I will : have to test it again. In any case it will be my spare rider. : : Presently I have the frame and fork in the powder coaters and : expect them to get around to it around the end of next week. I : was not enthused about the original colors of the Loto - Yellow : and Blue with a red highlight. So I'm having it a solid : "transparent blue" which they had a sample of when I was there. A : hot rodder was having his rims coated. I had been planning on : Candy Apple Blue but they had a hot rodder's transmission there : finished in that color and the "Transparent Blue" looked a little : cleaner. : : These guys have gone from finishing store shelves and the like : to coating entire cars for hot rodders in the Trump economy. They : had a pickup truck there they were about to put in the oven while : I was there. It would cook to a metallic yellow. : : After I pick the frame and fork up I will have to get a set of : Basso Loto decals, then coat the entire frame with clear. I : learned from the last try on the Pinarello and will use many very : light coats instead of a few heavy. And then have the bottom : bracket threads cleaned and the Campy headset that was in it : re-installed. : : I just finished building a tubeless wheel up. The deep carbon : wheels are remarkably difficult to build. Off and on it took me : three days to get that thing properly centered and true when I : could build an aluminum wheel in a couple of hours easy. : : : Wow, you are really going all out when it comes to your rides. I am : the exact opposite. Both my MTB and my road bike have lots of : scrapes and are generally caked in copious amounts of dried mud. : Add in a few grease streaks and some vegetation mashed deep into : the works here and there. My wife thinks the bikes look disgusting : but then again this greatly reduces the chance of them being : stolen. : : The money for the decals would in my case be invested in IPA, : Imperial Stout or something similar. : : : So you are a really tough guy then. It makes you proud? OK...oh wait : are you not the one who cleans his chain with inter dental brushes? : That is really girlisch... : : : No, that's smart. It milks a lot more miles out of a chain than other : mountain bikers on similar trails get. :... effectively earning many cents per hour of cleaning time, I'll bet! : I thoroughly clean and maintain moving or mission-critical stuff, very : regularly. Chain, sprockets, brake components, bearings, lights et : cetera. Whether the downtube has mud caked on it or not is only a : cosmetic difference. :I'm trying to imagine a guy diligently cleaning and lubricating the :chain, sprockets, brakes, bearings, lights etc. while carefully reserving the gobs of mud on his downtube. :The only way that works is if I switch my imagination to cartoon mode. You need to look at construction equipment. Good operators lubricate and inspect the moving bits. So the areas around the grease fittings are clean, cover fasteners are accessible, but everthing else will have a layer of mud on it. They're not preserving the mud, they just don't care about it, it doesn't make them money to remove it. Checking the oil does. And Caterpillar publishes estimated maintenance and repair costs for several types of working conditions and working in swampy, muddy, conditions has higher costs than working in a clean dry environment. So yes, no one washes and waxes their Cat D-9 but they do plan on higher maintenance costs when working in adverse conditions. However, the cost has got nothing to do with whether the rest of the machine is washed or not. I regulary come by a quarry. Their huge trucks and bulldozers are well maintained but it looks like the panels and non-mechanical body parts are not washed. At least not often. IOW, dirty machines with clean hydraulic cylinders. Washing a whole machine would be purely cosmetic and otherwise not useful, just as washing an MTB frame is. On the contrary, washing increases the chances of water being pressured into areas where it shouldn't be. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ |
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On Wednesday, November 6, 2019 at 8:35:09 PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Wednesday, November 6, 2019 at 11:27:37 AM UTC-8, wrote: On Wednesday, November 6, 2019 at 4:49:16 AM UTC+1, jbeattie wrote: On Tuesday, November 5, 2019 at 12:36:36 PM UTC-8, Tom Kunich wrote: On Tuesday, November 5, 2019 at 8:35:28 AM UTC-8, jbeattie wrote: On Tuesday, November 5, 2019 at 6:55:56 AM UTC-8, Joerg wrote: On 2019-11-05 04:21, wrote: On Monday, November 4, 2019 at 10:35:51 PM UTC+1, Joerg wrote: On 2019-10-16 09:44, Tom Kunich wrote: My Basso Loto was one of the final steel versions. It seemed to have a perfect ride. However, since I took it apart to refinish it I got the Lemond and between the ride of the Colnago CLX 3.0 and the ride of the Lemond Zurich made out of Reynolds 853 I will have to test it again. In any case it will be my spare rider. |
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On Wed, 06 Nov 2019 06:57:44 -0800, Joerg
wrote: On 2019-11-05 18:38, jbeattie wrote: On Tuesday, November 5, 2019 at 10:05:03 AM UTC-8, Joerg wrote: On 2019-11-05 08:35, jbeattie wrote: On Tuesday, November 5, 2019 at 6:55:56 AM UTC-8, Joerg wrote: On 2019-11-05 04:21, wrote: On Monday, November 4, 2019 at 10:35:51 PM UTC+1, Joerg wrote: On 2019-10-16 09:44, Tom Kunich wrote: My Basso Loto was one of the final steel versions. It seemed to have a perfect ride. However, since I took it apart to refinish it I got the Lemond and between the ride of the Colnago CLX 3.0 and the ride of the Lemond Zurich made out of Reynolds 853 I will have to test it again. In any case it will be my spare rider. Presently I have the frame and fork in the powder coaters and expect them to get around to it around the end of next week. I was not enthused about the original colors of the Loto - Yellow and Blue with a red highlight. So I'm having it a solid "transparent blue" which they had a sample of when I was there. A hot rodder was having his rims coated. I had been planning on Candy Apple Blue but they had a hot rodder's transmission there finished in that color and the "Transparent Blue" looked a little cleaner. These guys have gone from finishing store shelves and the like to coating entire cars for hot rodders in the Trump economy. They had a pickup truck there they were about to put in the oven while I was there. It would cook to a metallic yellow. After I pick the frame and fork up I will have to get a set of Basso Loto decals, then coat the entire frame with clear. I learned from the last try on the Pinarello and will use many very light coats instead of a few heavy. And then have the bottom bracket threads cleaned and the Campy headset that was in it re-installed. I just finished building a tubeless wheel up. The deep carbon wheels are remarkably difficult to build. Off and on it took me three days to get that thing properly centered and true when I could build an aluminum wheel in a couple of hours easy. Wow, you are really going all out when it comes to your rides. I am the exact opposite. Both my MTB and my road bike have lots of scrapes and are generally caked in copious amounts of dried mud. Add in a few grease streaks and some vegetation mashed deep into the works here and there. My wife thinks the bikes look disgusting but then again this greatly reduces the chance of them being stolen. The money for the decals would in my case be invested in IPA, Imperial Stout or something similar. So you are a really tough guy then. It makes you proud? OK...oh wait are you not the one who cleans his chain with inter dental brushes? That is really girlisch... No, that's smart. It milks a lot more miles out of a chain than other mountain bikers on similar trails get. Out of curiosity, how do you know that? Do you stop other cyclists on the trail and say "hey, how many miles do you get out of your chains, and do you use dental brushes to clean them link-by-link"? I regularly talk with other MTB riders at brewpubs. Most said they don't even get 1000mi out of a chain. What kind of chain are they using? 8/9/10/11 speed? What are you using? And what does flossing between the links do to clean out the pin-bushing interface? You would probably do better with conventional cleaning and lubrication. Most are 10-speed, rarely 9-speed. KMC seems to be the main brand and that is what I also use. Doesn't matter, the chains are similar. It's not flossing but I am (re-) using these: https://www.costco.com/gum-soft-pick...100526764.html What it does is remove oily and grimy clumps and "plaque" from the area where the rollers tough the links. Otherwise the new lube won't go in there well. Yes, a chain wash is better but that requires liquids, drying, and is environmentally questionalbe IMO because you have to dump the resulting oily liquid somewhere. And don't do that in the sink or the open space. I thoroughly clean and maintain moving or mission-critical stuff, very regularly. Chain, sprockets, brake components, bearings, lights et cetera. Whether the downtube has mud caked on it or not is only a cosmetic difference. Oh yeah, and it may cost me 0.1% in my average speed. One major upside of a muddy-looking bike is that potential thieves generally don't want that one. They go for another bike. Again, how do you know that? Do you do A/B theft tests -- muddy versus non-muddy bikes? Maybe put a muddy, unlocked S-Works Tarmac Di2 bike next to a super-clean Huffy POS and see which gets stolen first? Of course I mean similar bikes. Di2 is an invitation "Steal me, steal me!". Most thieves around here are after a quick buck to feed their drug habits. A nice shiny name brand bike will instantly get them their $30 or whatever at the cladestine chop shop, a filthy one won't. It's rather obvious and I had talked at length with law enforcement experts about such things. They said the same thing about homes. A modest abode has a lower chance of being broken into versus a manicured mansion. Law enforcement officers know about the relative number of muddy versus non-muddy bikes that get stolen. Incroyable. I seems to me like one would have to do A/B testing to prove that point. They do know about the chance of ugly versus non-ugly items being stolen. These were case investigors, not patrol officers. But even those know if seasoned enough. The key is what I had mentioned: How marketable is a stolen item and how quickly can it be turned into drug money? The shiny bike gets them money fast, the ugly one gets them nothing. So ... Aren't you the guy with the wood burning heat? Just toss the oily liquid on the wood pile. After all wood smoke contains In addition to particle pollution, several toxic harmful air pollutants including: benzene, formaldehyde, acrolein, and polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons (PAHs). With all that what's a little extra? -- cheers, John B. |
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Basso Loto
On 2019-11-06 15:17, John B. wrote:
On Wed, 06 Nov 2019 06:57:44 -0800, Joerg wrote: On 2019-11-05 18:38, jbeattie wrote: On Tuesday, November 5, 2019 at 10:05:03 AM UTC-8, Joerg wrote: On 2019-11-05 08:35, jbeattie wrote: On Tuesday, November 5, 2019 at 6:55:56 AM UTC-8, Joerg wrote: On 2019-11-05 04:21, wrote: On Monday, November 4, 2019 at 10:35:51 PM UTC+1, Joerg wrote: On 2019-10-16 09:44, Tom Kunich wrote: My Basso Loto was one of the final steel versions. It seemed to have a perfect ride. However, since I took it apart to refinish it I got the Lemond and between the ride of the Colnago CLX 3.0 and the ride of the Lemond Zurich made out of Reynolds 853 I will have to test it again. In any case it will be my spare rider. Presently I have the frame and fork in the powder coaters and expect them to get around to it around the end of next week. I was not enthused about the original colors of the Loto - Yellow and Blue with a red highlight. So I'm having it a solid "transparent blue" which they had a sample of when I was there. A hot rodder was having his rims coated. I had been planning on Candy Apple Blue but they had a hot rodder's transmission there finished in that color and the "Transparent Blue" looked a little cleaner. These guys have gone from finishing store shelves and the like to coating entire cars for hot rodders in the Trump economy. They had a pickup truck there they were about to put in the oven while I was there. It would cook to a metallic yellow. After I pick the frame and fork up I will have to get a set of Basso Loto decals, then coat the entire frame with clear. I learned from the last try on the Pinarello and will use many very light coats instead of a few heavy. And then have the bottom bracket threads cleaned and the Campy headset that was in it re-installed. I just finished building a tubeless wheel up. The deep carbon wheels are remarkably difficult to build. Off and on it took me three days to get that thing properly centered and true when I could build an aluminum wheel in a couple of hours easy. Wow, you are really going all out when it comes to your rides. I am the exact opposite. Both my MTB and my road bike have lots of scrapes and are generally caked in copious amounts of dried mud. Add in a few grease streaks and some vegetation mashed deep into the works here and there. My wife thinks the bikes look disgusting but then again this greatly reduces the chance of them being stolen. The money for the decals would in my case be invested in IPA, Imperial Stout or something similar. So you are a really tough guy then. It makes you proud? OK...oh wait are you not the one who cleans his chain with inter dental brushes? That is really girlisch... No, that's smart. It milks a lot more miles out of a chain than other mountain bikers on similar trails get. Out of curiosity, how do you know that? Do you stop other cyclists on the trail and say "hey, how many miles do you get out of your chains, and do you use dental brushes to clean them link-by-link"? I regularly talk with other MTB riders at brewpubs. Most said they don't even get 1000mi out of a chain. What kind of chain are they using? 8/9/10/11 speed? What are you using? And what does flossing between the links do to clean out the pin-bushing interface? You would probably do better with conventional cleaning and lubrication. Most are 10-speed, rarely 9-speed. KMC seems to be the main brand and that is what I also use. Doesn't matter, the chains are similar. It's not flossing but I am (re-) using these: https://www.costco.com/gum-soft-pick...100526764.html What it does is remove oily and grimy clumps and "plaque" from the area where the rollers tough the links. Otherwise the new lube won't go in there well. Yes, a chain wash is better but that requires liquids, drying, and is environmentally questionalbe IMO because you have to dump the resulting oily liquid somewhere. And don't do that in the sink or the open space. I thoroughly clean and maintain moving or mission-critical stuff, very regularly. Chain, sprockets, brake components, bearings, lights et cetera. Whether the downtube has mud caked on it or not is only a cosmetic difference. Oh yeah, and it may cost me 0.1% in my average speed. One major upside of a muddy-looking bike is that potential thieves generally don't want that one. They go for another bike. Again, how do you know that? Do you do A/B theft tests -- muddy versus non-muddy bikes? Maybe put a muddy, unlocked S-Works Tarmac Di2 bike next to a super-clean Huffy POS and see which gets stolen first? Of course I mean similar bikes. Di2 is an invitation "Steal me, steal me!". Most thieves around here are after a quick buck to feed their drug habits. A nice shiny name brand bike will instantly get them their $30 or whatever at the cladestine chop shop, a filthy one won't. It's rather obvious and I had talked at length with law enforcement experts about such things. They said the same thing about homes. A modest abode has a lower chance of being broken into versus a manicured mansion. Law enforcement officers know about the relative number of muddy versus non-muddy bikes that get stolen. Incroyable. I seems to me like one would have to do A/B testing to prove that point. They do know about the chance of ugly versus non-ugly items being stolen. These were case investigors, not patrol officers. But even those know if seasoned enough. The key is what I had mentioned: How marketable is a stolen item and how quickly can it be turned into drug money? The shiny bike gets them money fast, the ugly one gets them nothing. So ... Aren't you the guy with the wood burning heat? Just toss the oily liquid on the wood pile. After all wood smoke contains In addition to particle pollution, several toxic harmful air pollutants including: benzene, formaldehyde, acrolein, and polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons (PAHs). With all that what's a little extra? We have one of those super-clean certified stoves that emits only a gram of particulate matter per hour and no smoke. In fact, once when I was cleaning the pellet stove vent I burned my arm while placing tools on the chimney. I had forgotten that the wood stove was still going on the other flue. The was absolutely no smell and I was standing right next to the storm cap. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ |
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Basso Loto
On Wed, 06 Nov 2019 16:46:19 -0800, Joerg
wrote: On 2019-11-06 15:17, John B. wrote: On Wed, 06 Nov 2019 06:57:44 -0800, Joerg wrote: On 2019-11-05 18:38, jbeattie wrote: On Tuesday, November 5, 2019 at 10:05:03 AM UTC-8, Joerg wrote: On 2019-11-05 08:35, jbeattie wrote: On Tuesday, November 5, 2019 at 6:55:56 AM UTC-8, Joerg wrote: On 2019-11-05 04:21, wrote: On Monday, November 4, 2019 at 10:35:51 PM UTC+1, Joerg wrote: On 2019-10-16 09:44, Tom Kunich wrote: My Basso Loto was one of the final steel versions. It seemed to have a perfect ride. However, since I took it apart to refinish it I got the Lemond and between the ride of the Colnago CLX 3.0 and the ride of the Lemond Zurich made out of Reynolds 853 I will have to test it again. In any case it will be my spare rider. Presently I have the frame and fork in the powder coaters and expect them to get around to it around the end of next week. I was not enthused about the original colors of the Loto - Yellow and Blue with a red highlight. So I'm having it a solid "transparent blue" which they had a sample of when I was there. A hot rodder was having his rims coated. I had been planning on Candy Apple Blue but they had a hot rodder's transmission there finished in that color and the "Transparent Blue" looked a little cleaner. These guys have gone from finishing store shelves and the like to coating entire cars for hot rodders in the Trump economy. They had a pickup truck there they were about to put in the oven while I was there. It would cook to a metallic yellow. After I pick the frame and fork up I will have to get a set of Basso Loto decals, then coat the entire frame with clear. I learned from the last try on the Pinarello and will use many very light coats instead of a few heavy. And then have the bottom bracket threads cleaned and the Campy headset that was in it re-installed. I just finished building a tubeless wheel up. The deep carbon wheels are remarkably difficult to build. Off and on it took me three days to get that thing properly centered and true when I could build an aluminum wheel in a couple of hours easy. Wow, you are really going all out when it comes to your rides. I am the exact opposite. Both my MTB and my road bike have lots of scrapes and are generally caked in copious amounts of dried mud. Add in a few grease streaks and some vegetation mashed deep into the works here and there. My wife thinks the bikes look disgusting but then again this greatly reduces the chance of them being stolen. The money for the decals would in my case be invested in IPA, Imperial Stout or something similar. So you are a really tough guy then. It makes you proud? OK...oh wait are you not the one who cleans his chain with inter dental brushes? That is really girlisch... No, that's smart. It milks a lot more miles out of a chain than other mountain bikers on similar trails get. Out of curiosity, how do you know that? Do you stop other cyclists on the trail and say "hey, how many miles do you get out of your chains, and do you use dental brushes to clean them link-by-link"? I regularly talk with other MTB riders at brewpubs. Most said they don't even get 1000mi out of a chain. What kind of chain are they using? 8/9/10/11 speed? What are you using? And what does flossing between the links do to clean out the pin-bushing interface? You would probably do better with conventional cleaning and lubrication. Most are 10-speed, rarely 9-speed. KMC seems to be the main brand and that is what I also use. Doesn't matter, the chains are similar. It's not flossing but I am (re-) using these: https://www.costco.com/gum-soft-pick...100526764.html What it does is remove oily and grimy clumps and "plaque" from the area where the rollers tough the links. Otherwise the new lube won't go in there well. Yes, a chain wash is better but that requires liquids, drying, and is environmentally questionalbe IMO because you have to dump the resulting oily liquid somewhere. And don't do that in the sink or the open space. I thoroughly clean and maintain moving or mission-critical stuff, very regularly. Chain, sprockets, brake components, bearings, lights et cetera. Whether the downtube has mud caked on it or not is only a cosmetic difference. Oh yeah, and it may cost me 0.1% in my average speed. One major upside of a muddy-looking bike is that potential thieves generally don't want that one. They go for another bike. Again, how do you know that? Do you do A/B theft tests -- muddy versus non-muddy bikes? Maybe put a muddy, unlocked S-Works Tarmac Di2 bike next to a super-clean Huffy POS and see which gets stolen first? Of course I mean similar bikes. Di2 is an invitation "Steal me, steal me!". Most thieves around here are after a quick buck to feed their drug habits. A nice shiny name brand bike will instantly get them their $30 or whatever at the cladestine chop shop, a filthy one won't. It's rather obvious and I had talked at length with law enforcement experts about such things. They said the same thing about homes. A modest abode has a lower chance of being broken into versus a manicured mansion. Law enforcement officers know about the relative number of muddy versus non-muddy bikes that get stolen. Incroyable. I seems to me like one would have to do A/B testing to prove that point. They do know about the chance of ugly versus non-ugly items being stolen. These were case investigors, not patrol officers. But even those know if seasoned enough. The key is what I had mentioned: How marketable is a stolen item and how quickly can it be turned into drug money? The shiny bike gets them money fast, the ugly one gets them nothing. So ... Aren't you the guy with the wood burning heat? Just toss the oily liquid on the wood pile. After all wood smoke contains In addition to particle pollution, several toxic harmful air pollutants including: benzene, formaldehyde, acrolein, and polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons (PAHs). With all that what's a little extra? We have one of those super-clean certified stoves that emits only a gram of particulate matter per hour and no smoke. In fact, once when I was cleaning the pellet stove vent I burned my arm while placing tools on the chimney. I had forgotten that the wood stove was still going on the other flue. The was absolutely no smell and I was standing right next to the storm cap. Well, there you go. Just dump the used cleaning fluid in the stove and it will be magically destroyed with no harm to the atmosphere. -- cheers, John B. |
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