Riis just killed pro-cycling.....

On May 26, 6:03 pm, John Forrest Tomlinson
wrote:
On 26 May 2007 17:49:27 -0700, Kurgan Gringioni

wrote:
The most talented riders benefit from performance enhancing drugs just
as much as average riders.

It depends on the drug.



Dumbass -


Ya, but the point was that very talented riders can benefit from PEDs
as much as average riders.


thanks,

K. Gringioni.

On May 25, 5:57 pm, wrote:
On May 25, 7:14 pm, "Crescentius Vespasianus"
wrote:

Riis just killed the sport known as pro-cycling. The European police in
Italy and France were in the end correct and the people who criticized them
were wrong. I think David Millar was the first to crack under those warm
interrogation lights. In the end he told them all they needed to know about
this cycling-Mafia. Kudos to all of the European police agencies, in
cracking this Mafia wide open for all to see. All that crap about these
guys going up grades 8% at 26 mph were simply an illusion. Where does
Carmichael go now, when people now know it wasn't his training, but what he
had in the medicine bag. What about Liggett, will he now return to being a
shoe salesman? Trautman can now compare his steroid perfected Yankee team
to the EPO perfected CSC team. It was the perfect illusion,......all of it.
We should all give them a giant round of applause for this magic trick of
the century called pro-cycling.

I hope your wrong...but after all that's transpired the last couple of
weeks, I sure ain't gonna argue!!!

One of the really sad parts is that this quote from Riis:

"When I was a rider in the 1990s, I worked extremely hard to get my
results. I worked extremely hard, day in day out and I sacrificed a
lot just even to be part of the best."

is basically true. Just as it is for every other member of the
peleton

PelOton, please, please......



(even Floyd). Those guys are super-human athletes without EPO
or any other drugs. A lot of the non-cycling public now thinks that
these guys are just no-talent, average-joe lazy bums that are just
willing to take a needle. This slight probably even carries down to
amateurs and wanna-bes who are out there paying their dues at their
own level. I think whoever said drugs can't turn a donkey into a
racehorse got it right. Too bad the talented men and women of future
peletons will have an even tougher fight against an already-jaded
public.

On May 26, 4:56 pm, "B. Lafferty"
wrote:

So, really, the results aren't "unequal." With the seeming exception of
Armstrong and the Tour, since 1995 or 1996, when virtually all the top teams
had comparable doping programs, no one or a few teams or riders dominated as
in the pre-1990s.

....except for seven years out of twelve...

Is that your version of a virtual fact?

R

"RicodJour" wrote in message
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On May 26, 4:56 pm, "B. Lafferty"
wrote:

So, really, the results aren't "unequal." With the seeming exception of
Armstrong and the Tour, since 1995 or 1996, when virtually all the top
teams
had comparable doping programs, no one or a few teams or riders dominated
as
in the pre-1990s.

...except for seven years out of twelve...

Is that your version of a virtual fact?

R


Reread the first part of the post that you snipped. You just don't get it
or want to get it.

On May 27, 9:25 am, "B. Lafferty"
wrote:
"RicodJour" wrote in message
On May 26, 4:56 pm, "B. Lafferty"
wrote:

So, really, the results aren't "unequal." With the seeming exception of
Armstrong and the Tour, since 1995 or 1996, when virtually all the top
teams
had comparable doping programs, no one or a few teams or riders dominated
as
in the pre-1990s.

...except for seven years out of twelve...

Is that your version of a virtual fact?


Reread the first part of the post that you snipped. You just don't get it
or want to get it.

I get the fact that you have a bug up your ass about Armstrong, and
your view/opinions are seriously skewed due to said bug. You cherry
pick facts, create virtual facts, whatever it takes to support your
viewpoint.

When Lance finally croaks you'll be blubbering more than anyone else -
your personal windmill will be getting buried along with him.
Probably time to invest in a "Plan B" so you're not caught short.

R

"RicodJour" wrote in message
ps.com...
On May 27, 9:25 am, "B. Lafferty"
wrote:
"RicodJour" wrote in message
On May 26, 4:56 pm, "B. Lafferty"
wrote:

So, really, the results aren't "unequal." With the seeming exception
of
Armstrong and the Tour, since 1995 or 1996, when virtually all the top
teams
had comparable doping programs, no one or a few teams or riders
dominated
as
in the pre-1990s.

...except for seven years out of twelve...

Is that your version of a virtual fact?


Reread the first part of the post that you snipped. You just don't get
it
or want to get it.

I get the fact that you have a bug up your ass about Armstrong, and
your view/opinions are seriously skewed due to said bug. You cherry
pick facts, create virtual facts, whatever it takes to support your
viewpoint.

When Lance finally croaks you'll be blubbering more than anyone else -
your personal windmill will be getting buried along with him.
Probably time to invest in a "Plan B" so you're not caught short.

R

So you still believe the Lance return from the dead, lose weight, hard
training/efficiency myth. ROTFL!

On May 27, 10:38 am, "B. Lafferty"
wrote:
"RicodJour" wrote in message

I get the fact that you have a bug up your ass about Armstrong, and
your view/opinions are seriously skewed due to said bug. You cherry
pick facts, create virtual facts, whatever it takes to support your
viewpoint.

When Lance finally croaks you'll be blubbering more than anyone else -
your personal windmill will be getting buried along with him.
Probably time to invest in a "Plan B" so you're not caught short.


So you still believe the Lance return from the dead, lose weight, hard
training/efficiency myth. ROTFL!

Doesn't this feel good? I'm so happy for you. Just like old times!
You can take any opportunity to twist things into being about Lance
doping. Cycling is bigger than Lance. Cycling is bigger than
doping. Well...maybe not in your world.

I'm serious. Plan B time. Don't be the grasshopper, grasshopper.

R

"RicodJour" wrote in message
ups.com...
On May 27, 10:38 am, "B. Lafferty"
wrote:
"RicodJour" wrote in message

I get the fact that you have a bug up your ass about Armstrong, and
your view/opinions are seriously skewed due to said bug. You cherry
pick facts, create virtual facts, whatever it takes to support your
viewpoint.

When Lance finally croaks you'll be blubbering more than anyone else -
your personal windmill will be getting buried along with him.
Probably time to invest in a "Plan B" so you're not caught short.


So you still believe the Lance return from the dead, lose weight, hard
training/efficiency myth. ROTFL!

Doesn't this feel good? I'm so happy for you. Just like old times!
You can take any opportunity to twist things into being about Lance
doping. Cycling is bigger than Lance. Cycling is bigger than
doping. Well...maybe not in your world.

I'm serious. Plan B time. Don't be the grasshopper, grasshopper.

R

This is funny. You DO still believe.

On May 27, 11:58 am, "B. Lafferty"
wrote:

This is funny. You DO still believe.

I believe in "I believe in the soul, the cock, the pussy, the small of
a woman's back, the hanging curve ball, high fiber, good scotch, that
the novels of Susan Sontag are self-indulgent, overrated crap. I
believe Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone. I believe there ought to be a
constitutional amendment outlawing Astroturf and the designated
hitter. I believe in the sweet spot, soft-core pornography, opening
your presents Christmas morning rather than Christmas Eve and I
believe in long, slow, deep, soft, wet kisses that last three days."
I believe baseball is a stupid sport, but fun to watch in person (had
to straighten out Kevin Costner's errors).

I also believe that you'll have a big empty hole in your life when
Lance goes away. That would be normal for a ten year old boy, it's
just sad for a fifty year old man (I'm being charitable).

Ever consider not mentioning Lance for a week or two to see what
positive things fill in? If not, do.

Now, on your way...

R

"RicodJour" wrote in message
ps.com...
On May 27, 11:58 am, "B. Lafferty"
wrote:

This is funny. You DO still believe.

I believe in "I believe in the soul, the cock, the pussy, the small of
a woman's back, the hanging curve ball, high fiber, good scotch, that
the novels of Susan Sontag are self-indulgent, overrated crap. I
believe Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone. I believe there ought to be a
constitutional amendment outlawing Astroturf and the designated
hitter. I believe in the sweet spot, soft-core pornography, opening
your presents Christmas morning rather than Christmas Eve and I
believe in long, slow, deep, soft, wet kisses that last three days."
I believe baseball is a stupid sport, but fun to watch in person (had
to straighten out Kevin Costner's errors).

I also believe that you'll have a big empty hole in your life when
Lance goes away. That would be normal for a ten year old boy, it's
just sad for a fifty year old man (I'm being charitable).

Ever consider not mentioning Lance for a week or two to see what
positive things fill in? If not, do.

Now, on your way...

Oh, your sarcasm is devastating. How will I ever go on?! I'll wager that
you still believe in Lance, Tyler, Floyd, Ullrich and Basso. You are such a
******. LOL