The Psychology of Mountain Biking

On Feb 2, 2:24*am, "Edward Dolan" wrote:


Mike Vandeman is the foremost expert in the world on the harm that mountain
biking does.

No, he's the *only* "expert" - nobody else gives a flying ****,
including the wilderness agencies. They are, however, concerned about
wildfires (caused mainly by hikers) and offroad motor vehicles (which
Vandeman has never once condemned as far as I can tell).

And you, you coffin dodger, said you had Alzheimers, what, five years
ago? Time your nurse cut off your internet access.
--
Guy

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On Feb 2, 2:24 am, "Edward Dolan" wrote:

Mike Vandeman is the foremost expert in the world on the harm that
mountain
biking does.

No, he's the *only* "expert" - nobody else gives a flying ****,
including the wilderness agencies. They are, however, concerned about
wildfires (caused mainly by hikers) and offroad motor vehicles (which
Vandeman has never once condemned as far as I can tell).

Hikers care. Off-road motor vehicles are seldom found on hiking trails,
unlike mountain bikes. Most wildfires are caused by lightning strikes,
except in Southern California where they are sometimes caused by arsonists.

And you, you coffin dodger, said you had Alzheimers, what, five years
ago? Time your nurse cut off your internet access.

**** you too!

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

On Feb 2, 11:40*pm, "Edward Dolan" wrote:
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Off-road motor vehicles are seldom found on hiking trails...

you are claiming that off road motorcycles and snow machines, as well
as other motor vehicles, are seldom found on hiking trails;
what justification do you have for saying this?
you are aware that motor vehicles are able to operate on hiking trails
far from trail heads and easy detection, right?

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On Feb 2, 11:40 pm, "Edward Dolan" wrote:
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Off-road motor vehicles are seldom found on hiking trails...

you are claiming that off road motorcycles and snow machines, as well
as other motor vehicles, are seldom found on hiking trails;
what justification do you have for saying this?
you are aware that motor vehicles are able to operate on hiking trails
far from trail heads and easy detection, right?

I have hiked thousands of miles on hiking trails over a period of 30 years
and never encountered any motor vehicles.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

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On Feb 2, 11:40 pm, "Edward Dolan" wrote:
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Off-road motor vehicles are seldom found on hiking trails...

you are claiming that off road motorcycles and snow machines, as well
as other motor vehicles, are seldom found on hiking trails;
what justification do you have for saying this?
you are aware that motor vehicles are able to operate on hiking trails
far from trail heads and easy detection, right?

I have hiked thousands of miles on hiking trails over a period of 30 years
and never encountered any motor vehicles.



I have motor-vehicled thousands of miles over 10 years and encountered
hundreds of hikers, most of them stop to watch the antics of Jeeps crawling
over the same rocks they just hiked across, or were getting ready to hike
across. Or go around.

I never drove on hiking trails, but plenty of hikers walk on driving trails.

I was once the Adopt-A-Trail leader for my group, we did trail maintenance
in the National Forest that the forest rangers had no budget to maintain.
Due to my work and others that do the same kind of volunteer work, you have
thousands of miles of routes open and maintained for your enjoyment. The
routes that people like me provide free labor to keep open and maintained so
****heads like you to bitch about sharing routes that would otherwise be
CLOSED. Don't thank me, just enjoy the hike and think about the free labor
that's involved in providing it to you.

Morons like you and Vandeman would close off-road routes that have been on
the ground for a century or more and claim the environment is harmed --
despite the fact that in a century or more the environment has not been
harmed beyond the roadbed of the route. Clearly, the route itself alters the
environment, but alteration and harm are not the same thing. And volunteers
that provide the labor and resources necessary to repair the ancillary harm
so that you can sit on your fat ass until you feel like going outside should
be rewarded for their efforts by keeping the routes open for everybody
instead of just you.

Vandeman makes stuff up as he goes along, and his peers (except you) reject
him out of hand. Get a life.

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On Feb 2, 11:40 pm, "Edward Dolan" wrote:
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Off-road motor vehicles are seldom found on hiking trails...

you are claiming that off road motorcycles and snow machines, as well
as other motor vehicles, are seldom found on hiking trails;
what justification do you have for saying this?
you are aware that motor vehicles are able to operate on hiking trails
far from trail heads and easy detection, right?

I have hiked thousands of miles on hiking trails over a period of 30
years and never encountered any motor vehicles.



I have motor-vehicled thousands of miles over 10 years and encountered
hundreds of hikers, most of them stop to watch the antics of Jeeps
crawling over the same rocks they just hiked across, or were getting ready
to hike across. Or go around.

I never drove on hiking trails, but plenty of hikers walk on driving
trails.

So what? Hikers can't harm jeep roads, but jeeps sure as hell can harm
hiking trails.

I was once the Adopt-A-Trail leader for my group, we did trail maintenance
in the National Forest that the forest rangers had no budget to maintain.
Due to my work and others that do the same kind of volunteer work, you
have thousands of miles of routes open and maintained for your enjoyment.
The routes that people like me provide free labor to keep open and
maintained so ****heads like you to bitch about sharing routes that would
otherwise be CLOSED. Don't thank me, just enjoy the hike and think about
the free labor that's involved in providing it to you.

Hiking trails are for hikers. Fire roads are for mountain bikes.

Morons like you and Vandeman would close off-road routes that have been on
the ground for a century or more and claim the environment is harmed --
despite the fact that in a century or more the environment has not been
harmed beyond the roadbed of the route. Clearly, the route itself alters
the environment, but alteration and harm are not the same thing. And
volunteers that provide the labor and resources necessary to repair the
ancillary harm so that you can sit on your fat ass until you feel like
going outside should be rewarded for their efforts by keeping the routes
open for everybody instead of just you.

Mr. Vandeman is a purist, I am not. As far as I am concerned, once a road
has been established, it has already ruined all natural and wilderness
values. In the main, the less roads, the better. In any event, mountain
bikes belong on roads, not hiking trails.

Vandeman makes stuff up as he goes along, and his peers (except you)
reject him out of hand. Get a life.

Mr. Vandeman is genius (as well as being a scholar and a gentleman) compared
to the likes of you and your ilk.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

On Feb 3, 7:30*pm, "Edward Dolan" wrote:
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I have hiked thousands of miles on hiking trails over a period of 30 years
and never encountered any motor vehicles.


Well, then I guess the problem doesn't exist.
Never mind.