the difference between greg lemond and lace armstrong

well i just watched some video of luz Ardiden's clim in 1985 and sestriere
in 1999

in 1985:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZY9287pYZM

15 year after:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiCIJ2JewPE


when you see the difference it's just so obvious that american now are full
and loaded of dope and that they cheat

"bidon jaune" wrote in message
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well i just watched some video of luz Ardiden's clim in 1985 and
sestriere in 1999

in 1985:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZY9287pYZM

15 year after:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiCIJ2JewPE


when you see the difference it's just so obvious that american now are
full and loaded of dope and that they cheat

interesting. Thank you for posting the links.

On May 30, 3:06 am, "bidon jaune" wrote:
well i just watched some video of luz Ardiden's clim in 1985 and sestriere
in 1999

in 1985:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZY9287pYZM

15 year after:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiCIJ2JewPE

when you see the difference it's just so obvious that american now are full
and loaded of dope and that they cheat

Yep, just like most of the european racers...in the 100+ years of the
TdF, Americans have won 11 times. Doping is not unique to any group
except 'pro' athletes.

Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote:
On May 30, 3:06 am, "bidon jaune" wrote:
well i just watched some video of luz Ardiden's clim in 1985 and sestriere
in 1999

in 1985:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZY9287pYZM

15 year after:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiCIJ2JewPE

when you see the difference it's just so obvious that american now are full
and loaded of dope and that they cheat

Yep, just like most of the european racers...in the 100+ years of the
TdF, Americans have won 11 times. Doping is not unique to any group
except 'pro' athletes.


It's weird. Basso confesses and Ullrich is busted. But all anyone wants
to talk about is a RETIRED LA and whether HE doped too.

On May 30, 9:58 am, Fred Fredburger
wrote:

It's weird. Basso confesses and Ullrich is busted. But all anyone wants
to talk about is a RETIRED LA and whether HE doped too.

Screw Lance. I really want to know if Major Taylor was a doper. Or
Mile a Minute Murphy.

I think we have to go back in time to get at the roots of doping. Did
bone-shaker riders whiff ether? Did Leonardo munch magic mushrooms
while sketching up that famous bicycle? This is _crucial_ information
if we are to combat the War on Terr...oops...War on Doping!

R

On Wed, 30 May 2007 11:06:26 +0200, "bidon jaune" wrote:

well i just watched some video of luz Ardiden's clim in 1985 and sestriere
in 1999

in 1985:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZY9287pYZM

15 year after:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiCIJ2JewPE


when you see the difference it's just so obvious that american now are full
and loaded of dope and that they cheat

Huh? A super-domestique holding back to not drop the leader when he's in the
break on a different mountain at a different stage in the race than the guy in
yellow trying to nail it down shows you what, exactly?

What am I supposed to see here?

Sorry, you're out there with the conspirati.


Ron

On May 30, 9:58 am, Fred Fredburger


It's weird. Basso confesses and Ullrich is busted. But all anyone wants
to talk about is a RETIRED LA and whether HE doped too.

dumbass,

it's not "all anyone" wants to talk about, it's what lafferty wants to
talk about.

On Wed, 30 May 2007 11:06:26 +0200, "bidon jaune" wrote:

well i just watched some video of luz Ardiden's clim in 1985 and sestriere
in 1999

in 1985:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZY9287pYZM

15 year after:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiCIJ2JewPE


when you see the difference it's just so obvious that american now are full
and loaded of dope and that they cheat

I watched (and enjoyed) the two clips and the only thing that's "so
obvious" is something we already knew; Lance climbed at a higher
cadence than just about anyone else.

I recall a quote from Jan Ullrich a number of years ago about trying a
higher cadence and not liking it. I thought at the time, "You may have
tried it, but Lance committed to it."


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On Wed, 30 May 2007 17:18:48 GMT, John Everett
wrote:

the only thing that's "so
obvious" is something we already knew; Lance climbed at a higher
cadence than just about anyone else.

Pantani sometimes spun it like a fiend uphill.

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it was too fast to be true. nobody climb the moutain like that