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  #141  
Old August 17th 18, 05:50 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Wednesday, August 15, 2018 at 12:49:35 PM UTC-7, John B. Slocomb wrote:

I made no argument. I simply called attention to the fact that the
individual that stated "why do you suppose that every other rubber
tired vehicle has changed to tubeless?" simply didn't know what
he/she/it was talking about.

An expert in misinformation, one might say.


Then by all means tell me what rubber tired vehicle was sold with tube tires in the last 30 years. Misinformation indeed! Is it your position that a 1910 Oldfield having tube tires invalidates the statement?

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  #142  
Old August 17th 18, 07:12 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Fri, 17 Aug 2018 09:50:47 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Wednesday, August 15, 2018 at 12:49:35 PM UTC-7, John B. Slocomb wrote:

I made no argument. I simply called attention to the fact that the
individual that stated "why do you suppose that every other rubber
tired vehicle has changed to tubeless?" simply didn't know what
he/she/it was talking about.

An expert in misinformation, one might say.


Then by all means tell me what rubber tired vehicle was sold with tube tires in the last 30 years. Misinformation indeed! Is it your position that a 1910 Oldfield having tube tires invalidates the statement?


I did, but apparently in an effort to prove yourself as some sort of
pundit you simply ignore the evidence.

But to answer your question above, "Then by all means tell me what
rubber tired vehicle was sold with tube tires in the last 30 years."

The answer is "practically every bicycle sold in the world"

I've already mentioned the wheel chairs in he hospital, several
hundred with foam core tires.

Many racing cars are using tubes. Mickey Thompson sells special racing
tubes.
http://www.mickeythompsontires.com/t...r-racing-tubes

Lawn mowers are still using tubes
http://www.lawnmowertirestore.com/turf-lawn-tires.html

So there you have it, 4 categories of vehicles still sold with non
tubeless tires which is certainly sufficient to expose you as either a
fool or as some sort of sham expert that doesn't know what he is
talking abut.

  #143  
Old August 17th 18, 07:50 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 8/15/2018 1:04 PM, jbeattie wrote:
On Wednesday, August 15, 2018 at 10:52:54 AM UTC-7, wrote:
On Wednesday, August 15, 2018 at 1:45:33 AM UTC-7, John B. Slocomb wrote:
On Tue, 14 Aug 2018 23:02:14 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 8/14/2018 5:02 PM, wrote:
On Tuesday, August 14, 2018 at 1:35:34 PM UTC-7, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Tuesday, August 14, 2018 at 12:47:13 PM UTC-4, wrote:
Snipped

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4i0ttwnSszY

pfff.....

Lou

I like how they used a TUBE for the repair. Might as well just use a tube tire in the first place.

Cheers

Why? So that you can get five times the flats as a tubeless setup gets?

Let me ask you again - why do you suppose that every other rubber tired vehicle has changed to tubeless?

You're beginning to sound like Joerg. "Why don't bicycles have chains as
strong as motorcycles? Why don't bicycles have integrated charging
systems and heated seats and power windows? Why don't bicycles protect
us from the rain?"

The requirements are different, so the engineering is different.
Bicycles don't have spare tires already mounted on wheels inside their
trunks. That alone is very significant.

His question is an exaggeration. Every rubber tired vehicle does not
use tubeless.

I was looking at the wheel chairs in the Hospital the other day and
they have foam filled tires.

I came across an article that stated that many "Container" carrier
trucks are still equipped with tubes.
https://www.quora.com/Why-are-tubed-...ses-and-trucks

Then I came across the Goodyear catalog for aircraft tires and see
that the "standard" tire for the 747 is a tube tire.

I could go on (and probably on) but it is obvious that the statement
that "every other rubber tired vehicle has changed to tubeless" just
isn't correct.

Or perhaps it is a matter of "every tire that HE KNOWS ABOUT" is
tubeless which says something about his qualifications as a tire
expert.


John, do you even bother to read the stuff you are posting? It plainly states in that article that they don't have tubeless tires because of the expense of upgrading to new style tires and rims.

If your argument is based, as most here appear, to be that you have an old bike for which conversion would cost more than the worth of the bike why the hell don't you argue THAT instead of using the phony arguments that they would be difficult to repair if you got the same sort of flat that would also make a tube tire worthless. The dumb-ass comment that you could fix one of these slashed open tires with a candybar wrapper is pretty inane. Or the claim that they don't get as good a performance when even the testing shows the theory of rolling resistance being less on a tire with less mass to e true as it is in every other case.

Look, I've been riding for 40 years. I've had a lot of flats. I have never successfully repaired a slashed tire with either an innertube section or ever found a candybar wrapper that would possibly hold anything together against the inflation pressure of a high performance tire.


I don't think anyone is proposing a dollar-bill or candy bar wrapper boot as a permanent fix. They do work as a temporary fix until you get home. I've stuffed dollar bills into numerous tires with sizable slashes and gotten home.


Agreed, not a permanent fix, but you can get surprisingly far...

Had a brand-new veloflex master (very nice tire) on at the start of a
200k rando. Inside of two miles, hit a massive nail/staple (staple
shaped, thick as a roofing nail) that left about a 3-4 mm hole in the
tire. Boot with a folded Tyvek bib number (from some charity ride),
fine for the rest of the ride. Didn't even feel a bump in the tire.

Same on another 200k when another new tire got a sidewall cut of about
6-8mm (could put my pinky finger through it). The boot got me 50 miles
to a stop where the obliging spousal unit brought another tire - but
probably could have finished the ride with the boot. Both flats were
three years ago, only one bad flat since, so the flat gremlins ride in
packs. And I'm sure I could use heavier tires to avoid some of these
problems.

Moral: Folded Tyvek bib numbers weigh nothing, take up little space,
can salvage some really catastrophic tire failures. (Heh, try that with
tubeless).

Mark J.
  #144  
Old August 17th 18, 07:54 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 8/16/2018 10:43 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 8/16/2018 11:35 AM, jbeattie wrote:
On Thursday, August 16, 2018 at 8:54:36 AM UTC-7, duane wrote:
On 16/08/2018 10:41 AM, wrote:
On Thursday, August 16, 2018 at 4:00:24 PM UTC+2, John B. Slocomb
wrote:
On Thu, 16 Aug 2018 06:04:48 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

On Thursday, August 16, 2018 at 1:25:54 PM UTC+2, John B. Slocomb
wrote:
On Thu, 16 Aug 2018 02:40:52 -0700 (PDT),

wrote:

On Thursday, August 16, 2018 at 10:02:24 AM UTC+2, John B.
Slocomb wrote:
On Wed, 15 Aug 2018 23:18:27 -0700 (PDT),

wrote:

On Thursday, August 16, 2018 at 2:16:32 AM UTC+2, AMuzi wrote:
On 8/15/2018 6:02 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 8/15/2018 1:39 PM,
wrote:
On Wednesday, August 15, 2018 at 12:26:14 AM UTC-7, news18
wrote:
On 14/08/18 08:48,
wrote:
Obviously you like carrying around two tubes, a patch
kit, two CO2 cartridges and a filler and a mini-pump
because it seems romantic to you.

Speaking of weight, just how heavier are these tubeless
systems compared
to the old tyre and tube system.

You are perfectly free to feel that the same technology
used on every other rubber tired vehicle in the world is
not suited to bicycles but if you're going to argue,
don't use inadequate responses like "lock you in to
their products"
Â*Â*Â*Â* or "testing procedures are only for very narrow test
conditions." when this isn't the case at all. It is far
easier to test bicycle tire performance than those of a
motorcycles.
+++
How many of these "every other rubber tyred vehcicles"
are not driven by
an ICE or similar power plant. P.S. you can leave out
shopping trolleys.
.

Why are you arguing this? Tubeless tires are missing the
weight of a tube. What's more, because the sealant is so
reliable you can use lighter racing-style tires rather
than armored tires such as the Gatorskins or the others of
similar construction. The flat tests I presented earlier
was a guy riding Continental 4000's - a racing tire that
has minimal rolling resistance in the tests.

I don't understand what you want us to do, Tom. I've got six
personal bikes plus a tandem. Oh, plus another 1930s antique
stored in the garage attic. They have five different wheel
sizes. Surely you don't want me to run out and convert them
all to tubeless?

I have no current plans to buy another bike. If I start down
that path, I might look at the issue. But I'm not seeing a
compelling advantage.

Right now, my main issue is learning how to repair them if
there is a problem, because I do get recruited to help fix
bike problems. I'm not looking forward to dealing with the
goop.


If it were possible to make a proper tubeless bcycle tire
with out goop, we'd all ride them.

--
Andrew Muzi
Â*Â*Â* www.yellowjersey.org/
Â*Â*Â* Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Right. Goop is the reason I not even consider tubeless. Up to
the last tire test in TOUR magazine the best tubeless tires
had a higher RR compared to the best clincher tires. Now they
are on par. They are a bit heavier and harder to mount. That
would be all manageable for me but dealing with the goop not.

Lou

But from reading posts here it seemed like the anti-flat goop
was main
argument for using tubeless.

Without goop I think the chance of a pinchflat is much lower so
you can ride with lower pressures for traction reasons or
comfort. That is an advantage riding off road on a cross bike or
MTB. Pinchflats on a roadbike is a no issue for me. My flats on
the roadbike are almost exlusively caused by small glass pieces
or chips of rocks. For that you need the goop to make the
tubeless tire self sealant.

Lou

Why the furor about tubeless and no flats. After all they have been
making goop to inject into tire tubes and making them self
sealing for
about 30 years now. Strange that no one seems to be using that
although it is considerably cheaper - about 2.00 a wheel.

Why you ask me? Carl Fogel (how is he BTW) used that green stuff
and I didn't know anyone who patched more flats than him. I don't
think that green goop works for pinch flats. Tubeless does by
default; no tube to pinch. For road bikes pinch flats aren't a
problem at least not for me. Off road with a crossbike with 32-35
mm wide tires it is because you want to run them at low pressure
for traction. If I gonna try tubeless it will be on my crossbike
but without the goop.

Lou

I adjust the tire pressure to manage pinch flats.

It is a compromize between comfort, traction and vulnerablity for
pinchflats. Off road on a crossbike traction is more important. Do
you ride off road on a crossbike with 32 mm wide tires?

It is a little
optimistic, I think, to expect a tube/tire not develop leaks is you
smash it flat between two hard surfaces at high speeds.

I expect a tubeless tire with sturdier side walls to be more robust
for pinchflats. It is silly to ridicule someones choice. This
applies to you and to Tom. I think Andrew got it right. Sometimes
tubeless makes sense, sometimes it is a solution looking for a problem.

+1


I agree, except with the statement that "It is silly to ridicule
someones choice."Â* That is demonstrably untrue.
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/e9/0c...41635450a3.jpg


-- Jay Beattie.


ouch.
Can we just stay with cycling?
http://i.pinimg.com/236x/ca/ed/69/ca...2029075847.jpg


I'm astonished at the ubiquity and staying power of that image; I think
we've all seen it dozens of times on the interwebs. I doubt the guy had
any clue how famous he'd become.

Mark J.
  #145  
Old August 17th 18, 08:30 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Friday, August 17, 2018 at 11:54:40 AM UTC-7, Mark J. wrote:
On 8/16/2018 10:43 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 8/16/2018 11:35 AM, jbeattie wrote:
On Thursday, August 16, 2018 at 8:54:36 AM UTC-7, duane wrote:
On 16/08/2018 10:41 AM, wrote:
On Thursday, August 16, 2018 at 4:00:24 PM UTC+2, John B. Slocomb
wrote:
On Thu, 16 Aug 2018 06:04:48 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

On Thursday, August 16, 2018 at 1:25:54 PM UTC+2, John B. Slocomb
wrote:
On Thu, 16 Aug 2018 02:40:52 -0700 (PDT),

wrote:

On Thursday, August 16, 2018 at 10:02:24 AM UTC+2, John B.
Slocomb wrote:
On Wed, 15 Aug 2018 23:18:27 -0700 (PDT),

wrote:

On Thursday, August 16, 2018 at 2:16:32 AM UTC+2, AMuzi wrote:
On 8/15/2018 6:02 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 8/15/2018 1:39 PM,
wrote:
On Wednesday, August 15, 2018 at 12:26:14 AM UTC-7, news18
wrote:
On 14/08/18 08:48,
wrote:
Obviously you like carrying around two tubes, a patch
kit, two CO2 cartridges and a filler and a mini-pump
because it seems romantic to you.

Speaking of weight, just how heavier are these tubeless
systems compared
to the old tyre and tube system.

You are perfectly free to feel that the same technology
used on every other rubber tired vehicle in the world is
not suited to bicycles but if you're going to argue,
don't use inadequate responses like "lock you in to
their products"
Â*Â*Â*Â* or "testing procedures are only for very narrow test
conditions." when this isn't the case at all. It is far
easier to test bicycle tire performance than those of a
motorcycles.
+++
How many of these "every other rubber tyred vehcicles"
are not driven by
an ICE or similar power plant. P.S. you can leave out
shopping trolleys.
.

Why are you arguing this? Tubeless tires are missing the
weight of a tube. What's more, because the sealant is so
reliable you can use lighter racing-style tires rather
than armored tires such as the Gatorskins or the others of
similar construction. The flat tests I presented earlier
was a guy riding Continental 4000's - a racing tire that
has minimal rolling resistance in the tests.

I don't understand what you want us to do, Tom. I've got six
personal bikes plus a tandem. Oh, plus another 1930s antique
stored in the garage attic. They have five different wheel
sizes. Surely you don't want me to run out and convert them
all to tubeless?

I have no current plans to buy another bike. If I start down
that path, I might look at the issue. But I'm not seeing a
compelling advantage.

Right now, my main issue is learning how to repair them if
there is a problem, because I do get recruited to help fix
bike problems. I'm not looking forward to dealing with the
goop.


If it were possible to make a proper tubeless bcycle tire
with out goop, we'd all ride them.

--
Andrew Muzi
Â*Â*Â* www.yellowjersey.org/
Â*Â*Â* Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Right. Goop is the reason I not even consider tubeless. Up to
the last tire test in TOUR magazine the best tubeless tires
had a higher RR compared to the best clincher tires. Now they
are on par. They are a bit heavier and harder to mount. That
would be all manageable for me but dealing with the goop not.

Lou

But from reading posts here it seemed like the anti-flat goop
was main
argument for using tubeless.

Without goop I think the chance of a pinchflat is much lower so
you can ride with lower pressures for traction reasons or
comfort. That is an advantage riding off road on a cross bike or
MTB. Pinchflats on a roadbike is a no issue for me. My flats on
the roadbike are almost exlusively caused by small glass pieces
or chips of rocks. For that you need the goop to make the
tubeless tire self sealant.

Lou

Why the furor about tubeless and no flats. After all they have been
making goop to inject into tire tubes and making them self
sealing for
about 30 years now. Strange that no one seems to be using that
although it is considerably cheaper - about 2.00 a wheel.

Why you ask me? Carl Fogel (how is he BTW) used that green stuff
and I didn't know anyone who patched more flats than him. I don't
think that green goop works for pinch flats. Tubeless does by
default; no tube to pinch. For road bikes pinch flats aren't a
problem at least not for me. Off road with a crossbike with 32-35
mm wide tires it is because you want to run them at low pressure
for traction. If I gonna try tubeless it will be on my crossbike
but without the goop.

Lou

I adjust the tire pressure to manage pinch flats.

It is a compromize between comfort, traction and vulnerablity for
pinchflats. Off road on a crossbike traction is more important. Do
you ride off road on a crossbike with 32 mm wide tires?

It is a little
optimistic, I think, to expect a tube/tire not develop leaks is you
smash it flat between two hard surfaces at high speeds.

I expect a tubeless tire with sturdier side walls to be more robust
for pinchflats. It is silly to ridicule someones choice. This
applies to you and to Tom. I think Andrew got it right. Sometimes
tubeless makes sense, sometimes it is a solution looking for a problem.

+1

I agree, except with the statement that "It is silly to ridicule
someones choice."Â* That is demonstrably untrue.
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/e9/0c...41635450a3.jpg


-- Jay Beattie.


ouch.
Can we just stay with cycling?
http://i.pinimg.com/236x/ca/ed/69/ca...2029075847.jpg


I'm astonished at the ubiquity and staying power of that image; I think
we've all seen it dozens of times on the interwebs. I doubt the guy had
any clue how famous he'd become.

Mark J.


It's so sad -- that's Fabio Baldato, who just couldn't lay off the cannolis after his retirement. https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/i...8DaTqmF_u-F6O7 How quickly they fall. Next thing you know, he'll get busted with Jan Ulrich for smacking hookers.

-- Jay Beattie.
  #146  
Old August 17th 18, 08:53 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Friday, August 17, 2018 at 12:30:23 PM UTC-7, jbeattie wrote:
On Friday, August 17, 2018 at 11:54:40 AM UTC-7, Mark J. wrote:
On 8/16/2018 10:43 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 8/16/2018 11:35 AM, jbeattie wrote:
On Thursday, August 16, 2018 at 8:54:36 AM UTC-7, duane wrote:
On 16/08/2018 10:41 AM, wrote:
On Thursday, August 16, 2018 at 4:00:24 PM UTC+2, John B. Slocomb
wrote:
On Thu, 16 Aug 2018 06:04:48 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

On Thursday, August 16, 2018 at 1:25:54 PM UTC+2, John B. Slocomb
wrote:
On Thu, 16 Aug 2018 02:40:52 -0700 (PDT),

wrote:

On Thursday, August 16, 2018 at 10:02:24 AM UTC+2, John B.
Slocomb wrote:
On Wed, 15 Aug 2018 23:18:27 -0700 (PDT),

wrote:

On Thursday, August 16, 2018 at 2:16:32 AM UTC+2, AMuzi wrote:
On 8/15/2018 6:02 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 8/15/2018 1:39 PM,
wrote:
On Wednesday, August 15, 2018 at 12:26:14 AM UTC-7, news18
wrote:
On 14/08/18 08:48,
wrote:
Obviously you like carrying around two tubes, a patch
kit, two CO2 cartridges and a filler and a mini-pump
because it seems romantic to you.

Speaking of weight, just how heavier are these tubeless
systems compared
to the old tyre and tube system.

You are perfectly free to feel that the same technology
used on every other rubber tired vehicle in the world is
not suited to bicycles but if you're going to argue,
don't use inadequate responses like "lock you in to
their products"
Â*Â*Â*Â* or "testing procedures are only for very narrow test
conditions." when this isn't the case at all. It is far
easier to test bicycle tire performance than those of a
motorcycles.
+++
How many of these "every other rubber tyred vehcicles"
are not driven by
an ICE or similar power plant. P.S. you can leave out
shopping trolleys.
.

Why are you arguing this? Tubeless tires are missing the
weight of a tube. What's more, because the sealant is so
reliable you can use lighter racing-style tires rather
than armored tires such as the Gatorskins or the others of
similar construction. The flat tests I presented earlier
was a guy riding Continental 4000's - a racing tire that
has minimal rolling resistance in the tests.

I don't understand what you want us to do, Tom. I've got six
personal bikes plus a tandem. Oh, plus another 1930s antique
stored in the garage attic. They have five different wheel
sizes. Surely you don't want me to run out and convert them
all to tubeless?

I have no current plans to buy another bike. If I start down
that path, I might look at the issue. But I'm not seeing a
compelling advantage.

Right now, my main issue is learning how to repair them if
there is a problem, because I do get recruited to help fix
bike problems. I'm not looking forward to dealing with the
goop.


If it were possible to make a proper tubeless bcycle tire
with out goop, we'd all ride them.

--
Andrew Muzi
Â*Â*Â* www.yellowjersey.org/
Â*Â*Â* Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Right. Goop is the reason I not even consider tubeless. Up to
the last tire test in TOUR magazine the best tubeless tires
had a higher RR compared to the best clincher tires. Now they
are on par. They are a bit heavier and harder to mount. That
would be all manageable for me but dealing with the goop not..

Lou

But from reading posts here it seemed like the anti-flat goop
was main
argument for using tubeless.

Without goop I think the chance of a pinchflat is much lower so
you can ride with lower pressures for traction reasons or
comfort. That is an advantage riding off road on a cross bike or
MTB. Pinchflats on a roadbike is a no issue for me. My flats on
the roadbike are almost exlusively caused by small glass pieces
or chips of rocks. For that you need the goop to make the
tubeless tire self sealant.

Lou

Why the furor about tubeless and no flats. After all they have been
making goop to inject into tire tubes and making them self
sealing for
about 30 years now. Strange that no one seems to be using that
although it is considerably cheaper - about 2.00 a wheel.

Why you ask me? Carl Fogel (how is he BTW) used that green stuff
and I didn't know anyone who patched more flats than him. I don't
think that green goop works for pinch flats. Tubeless does by
default; no tube to pinch. For road bikes pinch flats aren't a
problem at least not for me. Off road with a crossbike with 32-35
mm wide tires it is because you want to run them at low pressure
for traction. If I gonna try tubeless it will be on my crossbike
but without the goop.

Lou

I adjust the tire pressure to manage pinch flats.

It is a compromize between comfort, traction and vulnerablity for
pinchflats. Off road on a crossbike traction is more important. Do
you ride off road on a crossbike with 32 mm wide tires?

It is a little
optimistic, I think, to expect a tube/tire not develop leaks is you
smash it flat between two hard surfaces at high speeds.

I expect a tubeless tire with sturdier side walls to be more robust
for pinchflats. It is silly to ridicule someones choice. This
applies to you and to Tom. I think Andrew got it right. Sometimes
tubeless makes sense, sometimes it is a solution looking for a problem.

+1

I agree, except with the statement that "It is silly to ridicule
someones choice."Â* That is demonstrably untrue.
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/e9/0c...41635450a3.jpg


-- Jay Beattie.


ouch.
Can we just stay with cycling?
http://i.pinimg.com/236x/ca/ed/69/ca...2029075847.jpg


I'm astonished at the ubiquity and staying power of that image; I think
we've all seen it dozens of times on the interwebs. I doubt the guy had
any clue how famous he'd become.

Mark J.


It's so sad -- that's Fabio Baldato, who just couldn't lay off the cannolis after his retirement. https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/i...8DaTqmF_u-F6O7 How quickly they fall. Next thing you know, he'll get busted with Jan Ulrich for smacking hookers.

-- Jay Beattie.


Your change in subject is welcome. I think that we can all do without Slocomb's discovery that they still make tubes and tires for classic cars.

Perhaps we should start a discussion on what has happened to all of the past racing champions. Very few of them seem to have retained a love for the sport like Lance.
  #147  
Old August 18th 18, 10:36 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Fri, 17 Aug 2018 12:13:21 +1000, James wrote:

On 17/08/18 07:50, wrote:

Well, I can't argue that people want to ride what they want to ride.
I just find it curious that they complain about flats and then won't
change over to a tubeless that doesn't get flats.


If tubeless don't get flats, why are there inventions to try to stop
tubeless from going flat?

https://www.pinkbike.com/news/downhi...ret-flat-tire-

defender-foam-inserts-first-look.html

Ha ha! It works like an inner tube pushing on the bead but weighs double.
--
davethedave
  #148  
Old August 18th 18, 12:15 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Saturday, August 18, 2018 at 5:37:01 AM UTC-4, davethedave wrote:
On Fri, 17 Aug 2018 12:13:21 +1000, James wrote:

On 17/08/18 07:50, wrote:

Well, I can't argue that people want to ride what they want to ride.
I just find it curious that they complain about flats and then won't
change over to a tubeless that doesn't get flats.


If tubeless don't get flats, why are there inventions to try to stop
tubeless from going flat?

https://www.pinkbike.com/news/downhi...ret-flat-tire-

defender-foam-inserts-first-look.html

Ha ha! It works like an inner tube pushing on the bead but weighs double.
--
davethedave


And the manufacturer does NOT recommend it for anything but "Gravity" riding since it slows you down so much on the flat sections of a trail.

"Beginning with Frank Stacy, all those who have ridden the Flat Tire Defender inserts agree that they are best suited for gravity riders. The extra weight would be a burden for most trail riders, who would be slogging around 700-grams of rotating mass 80-percent of the time, only to reap the benefits on the fastest and steepest technical descents."

Cheers
  #150  
Old August 19th 18, 03:05 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 8/14/2018 9:07 AM, jbeattie wrote:

I boot casings with a dollar bill or a Cliff bar wrapper, held in place by an inner tube. What's the fix on a tubeless tire when you cut a casing or get a hole that won't self-seal?


Spouse, friend, Uber, etc.

 




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