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  #21  
Old July 19th 19, 03:17 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
AK[_2_]
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On Thursday, July 18, 2019 at 5:54:16 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
On Thu, 18 Jul 2019 13:11:35 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Thursday, July 18, 2019 at 5:39:48 AM UTC+2, AK wrote:
I spent about 3.5 hrs. cleaning my chain and everything it comes in contact with.

What a tedious job.

Used the following:

1. Engine cleaner
2. Paint thinner
3. Used toothbrush
4. Occasional foul language

I mentioned it to my friendly bike repair guy and he said many do not realize the damage a dirty chain does to the bearings etc.

It shortens their life.

I think it helped as I think I can go around 3 mph faster.

Any other maintenance tips?

Thanks,
Andy

It always too soon to quit.


If you ride a 15 dollar chain and a 30 dolar cassette and you are not a bike nerd like some of us don't do that again. Wipe your chain as clean as possible with a rag before lubing. Lube regularly with whatever oily stuff and ride the **** out of your chain until some gears starts to skip. Then replace the chain and cassette. If you ride a 45 dollar chain and a 200 dollar cassette pay attention to some of the advice you get.


Lou, my 2 cents.


If you aren't a "bike nerd" take the bike to the shop and let somebody
else do it :-)
--
cheers,

John B.


Yeah right.

Pay him $25/hr X 3.5.

Andy
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  #22  
Old July 19th 19, 03:19 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Sir Ridesalot
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On Thursday, July 18, 2019 at 8:43:16 PM UTC-4, AMuzi wrote:
Snipped

We listen politely to 'please clean my chain' as we write
"new chain' on the service order. Saves customer a pile of
money.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971


I'm just curious. Have you ever had a customer return because certain gear combinations now skipped with the new chain? Or do you sell them a new cassette or freewheel too?

Cheers
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Old July 19th 19, 03:51 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
jOHN b.
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Default Cleaning of chain and all components

On Thu, 18 Jul 2019 19:17:31 -0700 (PDT), AK
wrote:

On Thursday, July 18, 2019 at 5:54:16 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
On Thu, 18 Jul 2019 13:11:35 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Thursday, July 18, 2019 at 5:39:48 AM UTC+2, AK wrote:
I spent about 3.5 hrs. cleaning my chain and everything it comes in contact with.

What a tedious job.

Used the following:

1. Engine cleaner
2. Paint thinner
3. Used toothbrush
4. Occasional foul language

I mentioned it to my friendly bike repair guy and he said many do not realize the damage a dirty chain does to the bearings etc.

It shortens their life.

I think it helped as I think I can go around 3 mph faster.

Any other maintenance tips?

Thanks,
Andy

It always too soon to quit.

If you ride a 15 dollar chain and a 30 dolar cassette and you are not a bike nerd like some of us don't do that again. Wipe your chain as clean as possible with a rag before lubing. Lube regularly with whatever oily stuff and ride the **** out of your chain until some gears starts to skip. Then replace the chain and cassette. If you ride a 45 dollar chain and a 200 dollar cassette pay attention to some of the advice you get.


Lou, my 2 cents.


If you aren't a "bike nerd" take the bike to the shop and let somebody
else do it :-)
--
cheers,

John B.


Yeah right.

Pay him $25/hr X 3.5.

Andy


Come on you guys. To hear Tom talk a $4,000 bike is common and you
begrudge a miserable $25 wash job?

Of course, Here I can buy a pressure washer for about $50 and do it
myself :-)
--
cheers,

John B.

  #24  
Old July 19th 19, 09:03 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Tom Evans
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Default Cleaning of chain and all components

On 18/07/2019 22:32, Andre Jute wrote:

3. Ride the bike. Do nothing else. Do no service whatsoever.

I do pretty much the same, on an 8 speed dérailleur. Never oil, replace
regularly.

I use a cheap chain and buy 10 or so at a time when they are cheap,
currently I have KMC Z8s.

I never got elongation checking to work, by the time the chain looked
elongated the cassette was skipping with a new chain. So I replace the
chain somewhere between 1000km-1500km, which seems to preserve the cassette.

A couple of points. It doesn't work well if you have regular rain. It
also doesn't work well with dérailleurs 8 speed, they need to be oiled
for clean shifting.



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Old July 19th 19, 10:02 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
jOHN b.
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On Fri, 19 Jul 2019 09:03:44 +0100, Tom Evans
wrote:

On 18/07/2019 22:32, Andre Jute wrote:

3. Ride the bike. Do nothing else. Do no service whatsoever.

I do pretty much the same, on an 8 speed dérailleur. Never oil, replace
regularly.

I use a cheap chain and buy 10 or so at a time when they are cheap,
currently I have KMC Z8s.

I never got elongation checking to work, by the time the chain looked
elongated the cassette was skipping with a new chain. So I replace the
chain somewhere between 1000km-1500km, which seems to preserve the cassette.


See: https://cyclingtips.com/2016/09/how-...-chain-wear-2/
or https://www.sheldonbrown.com/chain-wear.html

If you are using a ruler try measuring, say 18 inches, it makes the
difference between new and worn to be much easier to see.

A couple of points. It doesn't work well if you have regular rain. It
also doesn't work well with dérailleurs 8 speed, they need to be oiled
for clean shifting.


--
cheers,

John B.

  #26  
Old July 19th 19, 11:08 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Duane[_4_]
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AK wrote:
On Thursday, July 18, 2019 at 5:54:16 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
On Thu, 18 Jul 2019 13:11:35 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Thursday, July 18, 2019 at 5:39:48 AM UTC+2, AK wrote:
I spent about 3.5 hrs. cleaning my chain and everything it comes in contact with.

What a tedious job.

Used the following:

1. Engine cleaner
2. Paint thinner
3. Used toothbrush
4. Occasional foul language

I mentioned it to my friendly bike repair guy and he said many do not
realize the damage a dirty chain does to the bearings etc.

It shortens their life.

I think it helped as I think I can go around 3 mph faster.

Any other maintenance tips?

Thanks,
Andy

It always too soon to quit.

If you ride a 15 dollar chain and a 30 dolar cassette and you are not a
bike nerd like some of us don't do that again. Wipe your chain as clean
as possible with a rag before lubing. Lube regularly with whatever oily
stuff and ride the **** out of your chain until some gears starts to
skip. Then replace the chain and cassette. If you ride a 45 dollar
chain and a 200 dollar cassette pay attention to some of the advice you get.


Lou, my 2 cents.


If you aren't a "bike nerd" take the bike to the shop and let somebody
else do it :-)
--
cheers,

John B.


Yeah right.

Pay him $25/hr X 3.5.

Andy


I use a Park chain cleaner tool. Clip on, fill with degreaser, run 30-40
crank strokes, change degreaser and repeat. Take a brush and clean the
cassette and cage with degreaser. Takes 10-15 minutes. Maybe 20 with a
beer in one hand. When dry lube the chain, run through the gears and wipe
off the chain.


The trick is to oil the chain sparingly between cleaning, wiping it before
to remove grit and after to remove excess oil. Takes another 5 minutes
and makes the cleaning a lot easier. Most people use too much oil and it
attracts grit.

I never tried wax but the people here recommending it sound like they know
what they’re talking about.

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duane
  #27  
Old July 19th 19, 01:06 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Duane[_2_]
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On 18/07/2019 2:25 p.m., AK wrote:
On Thursday, July 18, 2019 at 1:02:13 PM UTC-5, Bertrand wrote:
I spent about 3.5 hrs. cleaning my chain and everything it comes in contact with.

What a tedious job.

Used the following:

1. Engine cleaner
2. Paint thinner
3. Used toothbrush
4. Occasional foul language

I mentioned it to my friendly bike repair guy and he said many do not realize
the damage a dirty chain does to the bearings etc.

It shortens their life.

I think it helped as I think I can go around 3 mph faster.

Any other maintenance tips?


I wipe down the chain and derailleur pulleys after each ride, just back-pedaling
the chain through a rag. Only takes a few seconds, and keeps crud from building up.


Thanks for all the ideas.

I forgot to mention that I USED to use oil and Amzoil Synthetic Grease on my chain.

Andy

Grease?
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Old July 19th 19, 02:06 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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Default Cleaning of chain and all components

On 7/18/2019 9:19 PM, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Thursday, July 18, 2019 at 8:43:16 PM UTC-4, AMuzi wrote:
Snipped

We listen politely to 'please clean my chain' as we write
"new chain' on the service order. Saves customer a pile of
money.


I'm just curious. Have you ever had a customer return because certain gear combinations now skipped with the new chain? Or do you sell them a new cassette or freewheel too?


Yes, although usually after measuring the old chain we can
advise reasonably well about changing the driven sprockets.
Do we miss some? Yes but the normal advice is to return if
skipping occurs.

Riders respond well to chain measurement and advice. For
grey areas, some riders try a chain only some buy both at once.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971


  #29  
Old July 19th 19, 03:04 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Radey Shouman
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Frank Krygowski writes:

On Thursday, July 18, 2019 at 9:09:12 PM UTC-4, John B. wrote:


I do something similar. When I initially decided to go with the wax
lube I went to a "candle store" where they sell mainly candles for
church or temple affairs but also sell wax and candle wicks and so on
for those that want to do it themselves. Anyway, they had both
paraffin and bee's wax so I bought the paraffin and a little bee's wax
(it is bloody expensive ) thinking that the bee's wax would make the
paraffin a bit more flexible, it didn't, or I didn't use enough, so I
added some light viscosity synthetic grease and that has worked real
well.

I don't start out on a ride if it is raining but I've been caught a
number of times in some pretty good showers and as far as I can see it
has never washed the wax airway and I've never seen a spot of rust on
the chain.... but to be honest I never saw any rust when I was using
spray lube on the chain either :-)


+1 except my bees' wax is still unused. I bought it on a whim and haven't used
it for anything.


Bees' wax melts at a considerably higher temperature than paraffin wax,
not an advantage for chain wax (or kink). It also burns cleaner and
smells nicer when burning, not an advantage either. It's better for
waxing thread than paraffin, which is why I have some.

I normally don't start a ride if it's waiting; but recently, as we
rolled our bikes out
the door to fetch groceries, it started sprinkling. We stopped for a moment,
then said "Oh, what the heck" and rode to the store. I was a little proud of us.

- Frank Krygowski


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Old July 19th 19, 03:42 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Theodore Heise[_2_]
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On Fri, 19 Jul 2019 09:36:23 +1000,
James wrote:
On 19/7/19 9:02 am, jbeattie wrote:
On Thursday, July 18, 2019 at 3:32:37 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:


The other advantage of a wax based lube, or at least my
experience, has been, that it doesn't seem to wash off in the
rain.


Meh. Everything washes off in the rain. It's just a matter of
time. Parffin flakes off and doesn't give you an corrosion
protection. I just use the Lou method -- rise, lather repeat.
I'm not going to be hanging out in the garage melting wax,
particularly since most of my chains have single-use
quick-links.


For neat paraffin wax, I agree and it was my experience that
the chain would rust after a wet ride. So I added oil to the
wax. The result is good corrosion resistance and a relatively
clean and smooth running chain.


I agree with Jay and James. I do use straight canning wax, and
find that it comes right off if I ride in anything more than a
sprinkle. I just don't ride in the rain much, and when I do get
caught out will right after drop the chain into my hot wax cooker
and drive off the water.

If I ride in the rain long enough, the chain will start squeaking.
I carry a small bottle of lube to use if the squeaking gets too
obnoxious.

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Ted Heise West Lafayette, IN, USA
 




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