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Cleaning of chain and all components
On Thursday, July 18, 2019 at 8:43:16 PM UTC-4, AMuzi wrote:
Snipped We listen politely to 'please clean my chain' as we write "new chain' on the service order. Saves customer a pile of money. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 I'm just curious. Have you ever had a customer return because certain gear combinations now skipped with the new chain? Or do you sell them a new cassette or freewheel too? Cheers |
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Cleaning of chain and all components
On Thu, 18 Jul 2019 19:17:31 -0700 (PDT), AK
wrote: On Thursday, July 18, 2019 at 5:54:16 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote: On Thu, 18 Jul 2019 13:11:35 -0700 (PDT), wrote: On Thursday, July 18, 2019 at 5:39:48 AM UTC+2, AK wrote: I spent about 3.5 hrs. cleaning my chain and everything it comes in contact with. What a tedious job. Used the following: 1. Engine cleaner 2. Paint thinner 3. Used toothbrush 4. Occasional foul language I mentioned it to my friendly bike repair guy and he said many do not realize the damage a dirty chain does to the bearings etc. It shortens their life. I think it helped as I think I can go around 3 mph faster. Any other maintenance tips? Thanks, Andy It always too soon to quit. If you ride a 15 dollar chain and a 30 dolar cassette and you are not a bike nerd like some of us don't do that again. Wipe your chain as clean as possible with a rag before lubing. Lube regularly with whatever oily stuff and ride the **** out of your chain until some gears starts to skip. Then replace the chain and cassette. If you ride a 45 dollar chain and a 200 dollar cassette pay attention to some of the advice you get. Lou, my 2 cents. If you aren't a "bike nerd" take the bike to the shop and let somebody else do it :-) -- cheers, John B. Yeah right. Pay him $25/hr X 3.5. Andy Come on you guys. To hear Tom talk a $4,000 bike is common and you begrudge a miserable $25 wash job? Of course, Here I can buy a pressure washer for about $50 and do it myself :-) -- cheers, John B. |
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Cleaning of chain and all components
On 18/07/2019 22:32, Andre Jute wrote:
3. Ride the bike. Do nothing else. Do no service whatsoever. I do pretty much the same, on an 8 speed dérailleur. Never oil, replace regularly. I use a cheap chain and buy 10 or so at a time when they are cheap, currently I have KMC Z8s. I never got elongation checking to work, by the time the chain looked elongated the cassette was skipping with a new chain. So I replace the chain somewhere between 1000km-1500km, which seems to preserve the cassette. A couple of points. It doesn't work well if you have regular rain. It also doesn't work well with dérailleurs 8 speed, they need to be oiled for clean shifting. |
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Cleaning of chain and all components
On Fri, 19 Jul 2019 09:03:44 +0100, Tom Evans
wrote: On 18/07/2019 22:32, Andre Jute wrote: 3. Ride the bike. Do nothing else. Do no service whatsoever. I do pretty much the same, on an 8 speed dérailleur. Never oil, replace regularly. I use a cheap chain and buy 10 or so at a time when they are cheap, currently I have KMC Z8s. I never got elongation checking to work, by the time the chain looked elongated the cassette was skipping with a new chain. So I replace the chain somewhere between 1000km-1500km, which seems to preserve the cassette. See: https://cyclingtips.com/2016/09/how-...-chain-wear-2/ or https://www.sheldonbrown.com/chain-wear.html If you are using a ruler try measuring, say 18 inches, it makes the difference between new and worn to be much easier to see. A couple of points. It doesn't work well if you have regular rain. It also doesn't work well with dérailleurs 8 speed, they need to be oiled for clean shifting. -- cheers, John B. |
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AK wrote:
On Thursday, July 18, 2019 at 5:54:16 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote: On Thu, 18 Jul 2019 13:11:35 -0700 (PDT), wrote: On Thursday, July 18, 2019 at 5:39:48 AM UTC+2, AK wrote: I spent about 3.5 hrs. cleaning my chain and everything it comes in contact with. What a tedious job. Used the following: 1. Engine cleaner 2. Paint thinner 3. Used toothbrush 4. Occasional foul language I mentioned it to my friendly bike repair guy and he said many do not realize the damage a dirty chain does to the bearings etc. It shortens their life. I think it helped as I think I can go around 3 mph faster. Any other maintenance tips? Thanks, Andy It always too soon to quit. If you ride a 15 dollar chain and a 30 dolar cassette and you are not a bike nerd like some of us don't do that again. Wipe your chain as clean as possible with a rag before lubing. Lube regularly with whatever oily stuff and ride the **** out of your chain until some gears starts to skip. Then replace the chain and cassette. If you ride a 45 dollar chain and a 200 dollar cassette pay attention to some of the advice you get. Lou, my 2 cents. If you aren't a "bike nerd" take the bike to the shop and let somebody else do it :-) -- cheers, John B. Yeah right. Pay him $25/hr X 3.5. Andy I use a Park chain cleaner tool. Clip on, fill with degreaser, run 30-40 crank strokes, change degreaser and repeat. Take a brush and clean the cassette and cage with degreaser. Takes 10-15 minutes. Maybe 20 with a beer in one hand. When dry lube the chain, run through the gears and wipe off the chain. The trick is to oil the chain sparingly between cleaning, wiping it before to remove grit and after to remove excess oil. Takes another 5 minutes and makes the cleaning a lot easier. Most people use too much oil and it attracts grit. I never tried wax but the people here recommending it sound like they know what they’re talking about. -- duane |
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Cleaning of chain and all components
On 18/07/2019 2:25 p.m., AK wrote:
On Thursday, July 18, 2019 at 1:02:13 PM UTC-5, Bertrand wrote: I spent about 3.5 hrs. cleaning my chain and everything it comes in contact with. What a tedious job. Used the following: 1. Engine cleaner 2. Paint thinner 3. Used toothbrush 4. Occasional foul language I mentioned it to my friendly bike repair guy and he said many do not realize the damage a dirty chain does to the bearings etc. It shortens their life. I think it helped as I think I can go around 3 mph faster. Any other maintenance tips? I wipe down the chain and derailleur pulleys after each ride, just back-pedaling the chain through a rag. Only takes a few seconds, and keeps crud from building up. Thanks for all the ideas. I forgot to mention that I USED to use oil and Amzoil Synthetic Grease on my chain. Andy Grease? |
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Cleaning of chain and all components
On 7/18/2019 9:19 PM, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Thursday, July 18, 2019 at 8:43:16 PM UTC-4, AMuzi wrote: Snipped We listen politely to 'please clean my chain' as we write "new chain' on the service order. Saves customer a pile of money. I'm just curious. Have you ever had a customer return because certain gear combinations now skipped with the new chain? Or do you sell them a new cassette or freewheel too? Yes, although usually after measuring the old chain we can advise reasonably well about changing the driven sprockets. Do we miss some? Yes but the normal advice is to return if skipping occurs. Riders respond well to chain measurement and advice. For grey areas, some riders try a chain only some buy both at once. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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Cleaning of chain and all components
Frank Krygowski writes:
On Thursday, July 18, 2019 at 9:09:12 PM UTC-4, John B. wrote: I do something similar. When I initially decided to go with the wax lube I went to a "candle store" where they sell mainly candles for church or temple affairs but also sell wax and candle wicks and so on for those that want to do it themselves. Anyway, they had both paraffin and bee's wax so I bought the paraffin and a little bee's wax (it is bloody expensive ) thinking that the bee's wax would make the paraffin a bit more flexible, it didn't, or I didn't use enough, so I added some light viscosity synthetic grease and that has worked real well. I don't start out on a ride if it is raining but I've been caught a number of times in some pretty good showers and as far as I can see it has never washed the wax airway and I've never seen a spot of rust on the chain.... but to be honest I never saw any rust when I was using spray lube on the chain either :-) +1 except my bees' wax is still unused. I bought it on a whim and haven't used it for anything. Bees' wax melts at a considerably higher temperature than paraffin wax, not an advantage for chain wax (or kink). It also burns cleaner and smells nicer when burning, not an advantage either. It's better for waxing thread than paraffin, which is why I have some. I normally don't start a ride if it's waiting; but recently, as we rolled our bikes out the door to fetch groceries, it started sprinkling. We stopped for a moment, then said "Oh, what the heck" and rode to the store. I was a little proud of us. - Frank Krygowski -- |
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Cleaning of chain and all components
On Fri, 19 Jul 2019 09:36:23 +1000,
James wrote: On 19/7/19 9:02 am, jbeattie wrote: On Thursday, July 18, 2019 at 3:32:37 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote: The other advantage of a wax based lube, or at least my experience, has been, that it doesn't seem to wash off in the rain. Meh. Everything washes off in the rain. It's just a matter of time. Parffin flakes off and doesn't give you an corrosion protection. I just use the Lou method -- rise, lather repeat. I'm not going to be hanging out in the garage melting wax, particularly since most of my chains have single-use quick-links. For neat paraffin wax, I agree and it was my experience that the chain would rust after a wet ride. So I added oil to the wax. The result is good corrosion resistance and a relatively clean and smooth running chain. I agree with Jay and James. I do use straight canning wax, and find that it comes right off if I ride in anything more than a sprinkle. I just don't ride in the rain much, and when I do get caught out will right after drop the chain into my hot wax cooker and drive off the water. If I ride in the rain long enough, the chain will start squeaking. I carry a small bottle of lube to use if the squeaking gets too obnoxious. -- Ted Heise West Lafayette, IN, USA |
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