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"Wilson" wrote

"Jon" wrote
[Burt Reynolds movie]

Tarantino admired the movie? Did he explain why or did he just leave it
hanging there?

I recognized the reference and googled the title. I only then
recalled seeing it, from the plot synopsis. The Tarantino
interview where he mentions it was one of the first page hits
in my Google query.

I take "it's been a long time since you last saw it" to mean
you've seen it more than once.

If so, probably on broadcast TV.
Perhaps not by choice! %^)

Have you ever known anyone who claimed BR was their
favorite actor? Just wondering.

A friend of mine really likes his movies. _Smokey and the
Bandit_, stuff, not excepted.

A decent fisher, actually. Decent bait selection. Reasonable
technique. Keep on posting,-- I'll take the bait when it strikes
my fancy. %^P

Perhaps good enough to get into Peter's kill file, but not in yours it
would seem.

Peter has been around a long time. Seems to me he's just
intelligently selective in reponding.

Aspiring to be kill-filed is not the sign of a talented fisher
in my esteem. Being dumb, or playing it is just uninteresting.
Being abusive and destructive is unremarkable. Contributing
on topic posts is a plus.

In this case, I really am interested in why people, particularly
recumbent cyclists, think cycling is "dangerous" or not.

I've had upright bike riders, for instance, tell me they think
recumbents are dangerous. Often they base their assessment
on just having heard about them, or perhaps only have seen
a picture... Rarely have they ridden one, and even more
rarely, have they ridden several different types for any
significant distance.

The basis of their concern is often height of the rider:
"You can't see over traffic." I point out they can't see
over SUVs and pickups.

They sometimes say, "You can't jump curbs and you
can't do track stands." True, but neither can some
upright riders, and not jumping curbs or doing track
stands hasn't been a safety issue for me.

They say, "Recumbents are slow not maneuverable." I
point out that my BikeE turning radius is similar to
their upright and I can ride a straight line at speeds
from 3 to 30+ mph. I point out bikes aren't slow,
riders are. %^)

If they're sophisicated, they say, "You have less time
to react when you're going down (lower center of gravity)
and less 'body english' control". That's true. But I
have less distance to fall. %^) And falling in my
experience on a recumbent puts hips in place of
shoulder, arms, wrists and hands in road contact...

Then I ask, "Would you prefer to crash head first or
feet first into an obstacle?" The over the handlebars
experience seems pretty specific to upright riding.

Jon

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"Wilson" wrote

"Jon" wrote
[Burt Reynolds movie]

Tarantino admired the movie? Did he explain why or did he just leave it
hanging there?

I recognized the reference and googled the title. I only then
recalled seeing it, from the plot synopsis. The Tarantino
interview where he mentions it was one of the first page hits
in my Google query.

I take "it's been a long time since you last saw it" to mean
you've seen it more than once.

If so, probably on broadcast TV.
Perhaps not by choice! %^)

Have you ever known anyone who claimed BR was their
favorite actor? Just wondering.

A friend of mine really likes his movies. _Smokey and the
Bandit_, stuff, not excepted.



I have some really old friends and we make it a point to get together at
least twice a year to watch a bad movie, share a pizza and a few beers, and
swap lies about our exciting lives. The 'mo worser the movie, the 'mo betta
the conversation. Most often its some Japanese monster thing, but WW and
the Dixie Dancekings show up there from time to time too. I occasionly like
to take the high road and provide my guests with a classic stinker such as
Shampoo from the mid-seventies. Gag.



A decent fisher, actually. Decent bait selection. Reasonable
technique. Keep on posting,-- I'll take the bait when it strikes
my fancy. %^P

Perhaps good enough to get into Peter's kill file, but not in yours it
would seem.

Peter has been around a long time. Seems to me he's just
intelligently selective in reponding.

Aspiring to be kill-filed is not the sign of a talented fisher
in my esteem. Being dumb, or playing it is just uninteresting.
Being abusive and destructive is unremarkable. Contributing
on topic posts is a plus.

In this case, I really am interested in why people, particularly
recumbent cyclists, think cycling is "dangerous" or not.

I've had upright bike riders, for instance, tell me they think
recumbents are dangerous. Often they base their assessment
on just having heard about them, or perhaps only have seen
a picture... Rarely have they ridden one, and even more
rarely, have they ridden several different types for any
significant distance.

The basis of their concern is often height of the rider:
"You can't see over traffic." I point out they can't see
over SUVs and pickups.



I feel comfortable in town stop and go traffic on the Easy Racer. I feel
like I am a part of the traffic, being pretty much eye level with auto
drivers and sitting in the same position they are. I actually feel I get
some mortorcycle type respect from drivers based on the Easy Racer
configuration. Harley riders usually give me a nod which is more than I can
say for many conventional bike riders.




They sometimes say, "You can't jump curbs and you
can't do track stands." True, but neither can some
upright riders, and not jumping curbs or doing track
stands hasn't been a safety issue for me.



If I'm riding a mountain bike if traffic I like to think I can jump curbs
[kerbs], do track stands, and head for the ditch if need be. And maybe I
could, but I've never needed to. Dick Ryan's video of him riding his
Vanguard in Boston is interesting. I do not recommend riding a bike in
Boston traffic.

My cycling career has been clear of injury from a road bike/recumbent
standpoint. The only times I can remember going down were those embarrasing
can't get out of the clips fast enough falls in front of a crowd. But for a
brief time I got into single trac mountain bike riding. It was remarkable
in that I would be bleeding after just about every ride. I rode with a
small group which included a plastic surgeon. Over time he got work from
most of us. The irony is he had an over the bar face plant requiring more
plastic surgery than the rest of us put together. All of this was
definately guy stuff.




They say, "Recumbents are slow not maneuverable." I
point out that my BikeE turning radius is similar to
their upright and I can ride a straight line at speeds
from 3 to 30+ mph. I point out bikes aren't slow,
riders are. %^)

If they're sophisicated, they say, "You have less time
to react when you're going down (lower center of gravity)
and less 'body english' control". That's true. But I
have less distance to fall. %^) And falling in my
experience on a recumbent puts hips in place of
shoulder, arms, wrists and hands in road contact...

Then I ask, "Would you prefer to crash head first or
feet first into an obstacle?" The over the handlebars
experience seems pretty specific to upright riding.


For a while I lived in a hilly area where there was this exceptionally steep
hill on a county road. Four speed cars would have to gear down to second
gear to top the hill. It was a 55 mph downhill and on the GRR I never
uncomfortable doing it. But on an upright I would be imagining every little
thing that could possibly go wrong to toss me over the handlebars.

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"Wilson" wrote in message
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[...]
I have some really old friends and we make it a point to get together at
least twice a year to watch a bad movie, share a pizza and a few beers,
and swap lies about our exciting lives. The 'mo worser the movie, the
'mo betta the conversation. Most often its some Japanese monster thing,
but WW and the Dixie Dancekings show up there from time to time too. I
occasionly like to take the high road and provide my guests with a
classic stinker such as Shampoo from the mid-seventies. Gag.

For the ultimate in bad movies get any of the Ingmar Bergman films. There
is
nothing worse in this world than a fine art film which bombs. It is the
same
with classical music. If it is bad, it is really bad. I give you any of
the symphonies
of Anton Bruckner as an example of the breed.
[...]


The idea here is to watch something so bad it's laughable - Bergman's a
downer.




My cycling career has been clear of injury from a road bike/recumbent
standpoint. The only times I can remember going down were those
embarrasing can't get out of the clips fast enough falls in front of a
crowd. But for a brief time I got into single trac mountain bike riding.
It was remarkable in that I would be bleeding after just about every
ride. I rode with a small group which included a plastic surgeon. Over
time he got work from most of us. The irony is he had an over the bar
face plant requiring more plastic surgery than the rest of us put
together. All of this was definately guy stuff.

The above is just plain STUPID guy stuff. If I hear any more stories like
this from you, I am going to have to report you to the Great Mike Vandeman
of RBS. He is Great like I am and does not brook any foolishness.
[...]



But I am reformed. All that bleeding convinced me I was on the wrong path
and I turned in my aluminum mt. bike frame to be recycled into beer cans.
No need to interupt Vandeman's important work to get him involved in this
bit of ancient history.

So Ed did you ever do any guy stuff.....you know...before you had to become
a Great Saint?



For a while I lived in a hilly area where there was this exceptionally
steep hill on a county road. Four speed cars would have to gear down to
second gear to top the hill. It was a 55 mph downhill and on the GRR I
never uncomfortable doing it. But on an upright I would be imagining
every little thing that could possibly go wrong to toss me over the
handlebars.

Nope, 55 mph is way too fast on any kind of bike. And I thought you were
sensible like me. Ed Dolan stands alone in His Greatness after all!



Not too fast for the best handling long wheel base bike in the known
universe.......

The idea here is to watch something so bad it's laughable - Bergman's a
downer.


May I recommend "Liquid Sky"? it is soooo close to being art, but it sooo
far away from being art. it would have been a perfect candidate for MST3K.

gotbent aka FRVT rider


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Wilson wrote:

The idea here is to watch something so bad it's laughable - Bergman's a
downer.


May I recommend "Liquid Sky"? it is soooo close to being art, but it sooo
far away from being art. it would have been a perfect candidate for MST3K.

The Andy Warhol films are all hilarious, especially when he is trying to be
sexy. What a perfect freak he was.

By the way, did "No Country for Old Men" make any sense to anyone? What a
mess that was! I much prefer a film like "Into the Wild" which I thought was
well done even though it lacked the commentary of Jon Krakauer. The only
mistake Chris made was not planning on the spring runoff which prevented him
from retracing his steps. He was not in the least suicidal. He just made a
mistake that any hiker and camper could have made. Chris McCandless was a
kindred spirit to me. Every young man should have an adventure like he did,
but without the tragic ending of course.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

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"Edward Dolan" wrote in message
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"Wilson" wrote in message
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[...]
I have some really old friends and we make it a point to get together
at least twice a year to watch a bad movie, share a pizza and a few
beers, and swap lies about our exciting lives. The 'mo worser the
movie, the 'mo betta the conversation. Most often its some Japanese
monster thing, but WW and the Dixie Dancekings show up there from time
to time too. I occasionly like to take the high road and provide my
guests with a classic stinker such as Shampoo from the mid-seventies.
Gag.

For the ultimate in bad movies get any of the Ingmar Bergman films.
There is
nothing worse in this world than a fine art film which bombs. It is the
same
with classical music. If it is bad, it is really bad. I give you any of
the symphonies
of Anton Bruckner as an example of the breed.
[...]

The idea here is to watch something so bad it's laughable - Bergman's a
downer.

Even so some of those Bergman films where you just have closeups of faces
staring at one another or at nothing are pretty funny.


I know. But I'm looking for movies you don't really have to really follow
to find laughable. The movies from the seventies are great for that. It
only takes a glance to notice the leisure suits or the funny hair. And if
you want to pay more attention then there's what has turned out to be the
really stupid sexual behavior of the seventies, the Watergate politics etc.
It was a funny decade in a self deprecationg kind of way.


My cycling career has been clear of injury from a road bike/recumbent
standpoint. The only times I can remember going down were those
embarrasing can't get out of the clips fast enough falls in front of a
crowd. But for a brief time I got into single trac mountain bike
riding. It was remarkable in that I would be bleeding after just about
every ride. I rode with a small group which included a plastic surgeon.
Over time he got work from most of us. The irony is he had an over the
bar face plant requiring more plastic surgery than the rest of us put
together. All of this was definately guy stuff.

The above is just plain STUPID guy stuff. If I hear any more stories
like
this from you, I am going to have to report you to the Great Mike
Vandeman
of RBS. He is Great like I am and does not brook any foolishness.
[...]

But I am reformed. All that bleeding convinced me I was on the wrong
path and I turned in my aluminum mt. bike frame to be recycled into beer
cans. No need to interupt Vandeman's important work to get him involved
in this bit of ancient history.

Yes, you are right. The Great Mike Vandeman has much more important work
to do. It is best to leave him free to do it.

So Ed did you ever do any guy stuff.....you know...before you had to
become a Great Saint?

I was one of this world's champion hikers, sometime 15 miles a day and
this was in the mountains. I did that for some 10 years all over the
country on almost a daily basis when I was in my 30's. I don't think I
ever did anything dangerous, but hikers get into trouble all the time for
one reason or another. I never was a strong person, so I had to take care
of myself. Hells Bells, if I had known I was going to live so long, I
would have taken better care of myself.


Ah you were a professional hiker. Very good.
When I was in my thirties I wanted to be a professional bicycle tourist and
photographer. I was unable to find sponsorship. Or more correctly,
sponsorship was unable to find me.



By the way, just plain riding your bike for many miles is basically a guy
thing. Kids and women are only into just quite short rides if truth be
told.



It has been my observation that women seem perfectly suited to long distance
riding. Perhaps moreso than men.



For a while I lived in a hilly area where there was this exceptionally
steep hill on a county road. Four speed cars would have to gear down
to second gear to top the hill. It was a 55 mph downhill and on the
GRR I never uncomfortable doing it. But on an upright I would be
imagining every little thing that could possibly go wrong to toss me
over the handlebars.

Nope, 55 mph is way too fast on any kind of bike. And I thought you were
sensible like me. Ed Dolan stands alone in His Greatness after all!

Not too fast for the best handling long wheel base bike in the known
universe.......

Yes, I agree with you. I would only attempt that kind of speed on a Tour
Easy myself. But even so, at those speeds you have to make sure that you
have a clear shot at the road ... no sharp curves, a smooth surface and no
debris on the road. Most accidents occur from going too fast downhill,
never from going uphill.

Yes that was the situation. Two lane county road, hardly any traffic, a
fairly short but verrry steep hill, a straight shot down, and then about a
mile of straight rolling moderate descent. Fifty five mph was my fastest
recorded terminal speed, obtained only for a second or so and then run out
for in rolling terrain. If you wanted to get yourself fully awake in the
morning or re-awakened after work what could be better? Or you could always
make the climb if the mood struck.

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You smarmy lagerlout git. You bloody woofter sod. Bugger off, pillock.
You grotty wanking oik artless base-court apple-john. You clouted boggish
foot-licking twit. You dankish clack-dish plonker. You gormless
crook-pated tosser. You churlish boil-brained clotpole ponce. You
cockered bum-bailey poofter. You craven dewberry ****head cockup
pratting
naff. You gob-kissing gleeking flap-mouthed coxcomb. You dread-bolted
fobbing beef-witted clapper-clawed flirt-gill.

****ing Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

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"The Original Demon Prince of Absurdity"
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"Kadaitcha Man" wrote...

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You smarmy lagerlout git. You bloody woofter sod. Bugger off,
pillock. You grotty wanking oik artless base-court apple-john. You
clouted boggish foot-licking twit. You dankish clack-dish plonker.
You gormless crook-pated tosser. You churlish boil-brained clotpole
ponce. You cockered bum-bailey poofter. You craven dewberry ****head
cockup pratting
naff. You gob-kissing gleeking flap-mouthed coxcomb. You dread-bolted
fobbing beef-witted clapper-clawed flirt-gill.

****ing Regards,

So, friends for years, then.

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"Wilson" wrote

My cycling career has been clear of injury from a road bike/recumbent
standpoint. The only times I can remember going down were those
embarrassing can't get out of the clips fast enough falls in front of a
crowd.

I've had three recumbent incidents that "left a mark" at least
temporarily. All involved front week traction loss. Two
were entirely self inflicted, one sand, one wet clay related. The
third was wet asphalt and a lil'-ole-lady turning in front
of me. Saw it in plenty of time, braked, front wheel locked,
skidded, and down I went.

Note, eye contact with driver wasn't sufficient. She stopped,
looked straight at me, then slowly made an illegal turn right in
front of me. Not just that she failed to give right of way,
she turned from a lane where turning was not permitted.

And yet still, I assert cycling is not particularly dangerous. %^)

But for a brief time I got into single track mountain bike riding.
[...] All of this was definitely guy stuff.

MTB is mui macho? We named a small gully crossing
Larry Falls, not because of a water feature, but rather
for the spectacular spill Larry took there on his MTB.
No permanent damage, but definitely riskier behavior
than cycling on FM roads.

For a while I lived in a hilly area where there was this
exceptionally steep hill on a county road. [...]
It was a 55 mph downhill and on the GRR I never
uncomfortable doing it. But on an upright I would
be imagining every little thing that could possibly go
wrong to toss me over the handlebars.

Hmmm, sounds like you calculated the risk and made
a choice not just based on the potential worst case
outcome! %^)

About 46 mph is my top gravity-assisted record on my
Tour Easy. Touring, near Taos, NM, there were a number
of opportunities to go faster, but road conditions and my
calculations of risk/reward kept my hands feathering the
brakes.

Jon

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On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 09:52:11 -0500, Edward Dolan did the cha-cha, and
screamed:
"Kadaitcha Man" wrote...

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You smarmy lagerlout git. You bloody woofter sod. Bugger off,
pillock. You grotty wanking oik artless base-court apple-john. You
clouted boggish foot-licking twit. You dankish clack-dish plonker.
You gormless crook-pated tosser. You churlish boil-brained clotpole
ponce. You cockered bum-bailey poofter. You craven dewberry ****head
cockup pratting
naff. You gob-kissing gleeking flap-mouthed coxcomb. You dread-bolted
fobbing beef-witted clapper-clawed flirt-gill.

****ing Regards,

So, friends for years, then.

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I am like you that way. Not born yesterday either.

****ing Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota