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So we were drooling over the 09 Kona catalog as I stopped by theLBS for coffee
On Sep 3, 8:43 am, landotter wrote:
On Sep 3, 8:35 am, Woland99 wrote: On Sep 2, 10:01 pm, landotter wrote: On Sep 2, 9:54 pm, Chalo wrote: landotter wrote: [something about road bikes] It's a really fun catalog this year, have a browse, much better color palate than last year, which was too tropical. ;-) I noticed that there's no Ute this year. It was a nice-looking cargo bike at a very appealing price. Maybe next time they go out on that kind of limb, they'll have the sense to make it in more than one size! http://www.konaworld.com/09_ute_en.cfm Still one size, but a nicer bag. And a fun little movie: http://www.konaworld.com/09_dewfiles_ep1.htm This is NICE! You can do serious shopping with this bike. Disk brakes - sth I miss on my Randonee when it rains. Any idea how much Ute is? Is that one bag or two? One, but the other side takes a good three panniers if ya squeeze them in tight. About $900--same price as a ****ty used scooter, but far far more badass. Yeah - I would definitely consider UTE for errand-bike. But Africabike 3.0 looks good - and 2008 model is mere $350. So if somebody steals it while you do grocery shopping it then it is not a huge deal. Well bummer - just called Kona dealer and it seems like they are out for 2008 Africabike 3.0 and UTE. Not sure I would want ride singlespeed Africabike 2.0 loaded with groceries over the local hills. |
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So we were drooling over the 09 Kona catalog as I stopped bythe LBS for coffee
Qui si parla Campagnolo aka Peter Chisholm wrote:
[...] Few things in the last 2 decades have actually made cycling better. One was lever mounted shifting. DT shifting is a fringe market and would actually take people out of the already flat bike market. Fender eyelets(good) but not for a rack.[...] Peter forgets to mention reasonably priced and commercially available recumbent bicycles and trikes. -- Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia “Mary had a little lamb / And when she saw it sicken / She shipped it off to Packingtown / And now it’s labeled chicken.” |
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So we were drooling over the 09 Kona catalog as I stopped by theLBS for coffee
Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote:
Golf is growing, so is tennis and skiing and just about every other leisure time activity...except cycling even considering the ADDED utility of being transportation to some..why is that? Because the industry talks to people that ride, not to people that don't. Weenies will talk themselves out of anything that requires effort to enjoy. To hell with 'em. Bikes should be made for people who have already figured out more or less what they want; otherwise they'll just be faddish toys whose popularity comes and goes. That's pretty much the entire story for golf, tennis, and skiing-- which is why those things make poor comparisons to cycling. Silly, vain people can take up all those activities you named in successive seasons, than follow up with scuba diving and hang gliding and perhaps even one of the more pointless forms of cycling. The likelihood that they will make those things any more than a temporary distraction and money sink for themselves is infinitesimal. Interest in cycling as expressed by such characters is not indicative of future prospects for the bicycle industry, even if it makes *this* year outstanding. Kona and all the other bike makers need to make a very functional and useful bicycle that is fun and functional and reliable. What a non-cyclist considers fun and functional in a bike is likely to prove a whole lot less than fun or functional, to say nothing of reliable, for an actual cyclist. When the industry listens to non- cyclists, we get things like Autobike/Landrider, "Spongy Wonder" seats, BikeEs, and other anti-functional abortions. Chalo |
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So we were drooling over the 09 Kona catalog as I stopped by theLBS for coffee
On Sep 3, 8:51*pm, Woland99 wrote:
On Sep 3, 7:57 pm, landotter wrote: On Sep 3, 7:01 pm, Woland99 wrote: Well bummer - just called Kona dealer and it seems like they are out for 2008 Africabike 3.0 and UTE. Not sure I would want ride singlespeed Africabike 2.0 loaded with groceries over the local hills. The Africabike isn't a good deal in one sense--but it's a cool bike if you've got the money, as a good portion of the cost goes to the Africabike project. The fit and finish is a bit lame, but with some tlc it could work. The hub and tires are great--the saddle and handlebars are blech. The real retail on it would be $250 or so if it didn't sponsor other Africabikes. For around $3 bills if ya want a new practical bike for town use, a Kona Smoke is the way to go: http://www.bikecommuters.com/2008/01/19/kona-smoke-2-9/ Nothing fancy--low end Shimano--but it shifts and brakes like a champ, flies under the radar of most thieves as it's not fancy, and fits racks just fine. Schwinn Worlds come in $300 flavors as well. That's a good "oh **** it got stolen" price point if you can't find something used to fit for a city bike. Thanks Brother Otter - good info - I emailed couple dealers in the area but it seems that 2008 UTE is gone. LBS here in twang town has one in the window. However, if you're 5 10" or above the 2009 is better--and has a nicer bag. Thanks for the link tohttp://www.bikecommuters.comjust found that seatpost rack thehttp://www.bikecommuters.com/2008/01...t-cargo-trick/ I have seen it few days ago on a bike that was on a car rack - wanted to recommend to a friend that rides tru blu road bike and would like to commute. commuting can be pretty abusive on a real road bike--but also a lotta fun. Even the LBS guys either ride mtbs, cxcross bikes, or even junkers through town to get to work--ya rarely see them on their road bike--but it's a quick way there, for sure! If your buddy gets into it--it's always fun to pick over craigslist to find a specimen for conversion to commuting duty. |
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BikeE? (was: So we were drooling over the 09 Kona catalog as I stoppedby the LBS for coffee)
Chalo Colina wrote:
[...] What a non-cyclist considers fun and functional in a bike is likely to prove a whole lot less than fun or functional, to say nothing of reliable, for an actual cyclist. When the industry listens to non- cyclists, we get things like Autobike/Landrider, "Spongy Wonder" seats, BikeEs, and other anti-functional abortions. What is wrong with the BikeE [1] that a few minor tweaks could not have fixed? [1] The bikes that is, not the deceptive advertising nor the way the management handled going out of business. -- Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia “Mary had a little lamb / And when she saw it sicken / She shipped it off to Packingtown / And now it’s labeled chicken.” |
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So we were drooling over the 09 Kona catalog as I stopped by theLBS for coffee
On Sep 3, 9:19*pm, Chalo wrote:
What a non-cyclist considers fun and functional in a bike is likely to prove a whole lot less than fun or functional, to say nothing of reliable, for an actual cyclist. *When the industry listens to non- cyclists, we get things like Autobike/Landrider, "Spongy Wonder" seats, BikeEs, and other anti-functional abortions. Antifunctional abortion? Pbbbbbt, it's a matter of opinion! Door stop, sandwich topping (slice on bias), handbag (scoop out with melon baller, add brass handle with pop riveter), or even decorative centerpiece--the options are limitless. |
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BikeE? (was: So we were drooling over the 09 Kona catalog as Istopped by the LBS for coffee)
Tom Sherman wrote:
Chalo Colina wrote: [...] What a non-cyclist considers fun and functional in a bike is likely to prove a whole lot less than fun or functional, to say nothing of reliable, for an actual cyclist. *When the industry listens to non- cyclists, we get things like Autobike/Landrider, "Spongy Wonder" seats, BikeEs, and other anti-functional abortions. What is wrong with the BikeE [1] that a few minor tweaks could not have fixed? [1] The bikes that is, not the deceptive advertising nor the way the management handled going out of business. Where do you "tweak" a bike that handles like you're trying to ride it backwards? Chalo |
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BikeE?
Chalo Colina wrote:
[...] What a non-cyclist considers fun and functional in a bike is likely to prove a whole lot less than fun or functional, to say nothing of reliable, for an actual cyclist. When the industry listens to non- cyclists, we get things like Autobike/Landrider, "Spongy Wonder" seats, BikeEs, and other anti-functional abortions. Tom Sherman wrote: What is wrong with the BikeE [1] that a few minor tweaks could not have fixed? [1] The bikes that is, not the deceptive advertising nor the way the management handled going out of business. Chalo wrote: Where do you "tweak" a bike that handles like you're trying to ride it backwards? I'm no expert but for starts, the usual chaise lounge format is with 2 rails, one on either side, not one down the middle. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com ** |
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BikeE?
Chalo Colina wrote:
Tom Sherman wrote: Chalo Colina wrote: [...] What a non-cyclist considers fun and functional in a bike is likely to prove a whole lot less than fun or functional, to say nothing of reliable, for an actual cyclist. When the industry listens to non- cyclists, we get things like Autobike/Landrider, "Spongy Wonder" seats, BikeEs, and other anti-functional abortions. What is wrong with the BikeE [1] that a few minor tweaks could not have fixed? [1] The bikes that is, not the deceptive advertising nor the way the management handled going out of business. Where do you "tweak" a bike that handles like you're trying to ride it backwards? I found the BikeE (particularly the FX) very easy to ride. The only exception was the E2 tandem, which was very easy to ride solo, but scary with a stoker. I suspect that Chalo's problem with the BikeE was related to being too heavy and tall. The BikeE's were not designed for 99.9999th percentile sized people. -- Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia “Mary had a little lamb / And when she saw it sicken / She shipped it off to Packingtown / And now it’s labeled chicken.” |
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BikeE?
"A Muzi" wrote
Chalo wrote: What a non-cyclist considers fun and functional in a bike is likely to prove a whole lot less than fun or functional, to say nothing of reliable, for an actual cyclist. What is an "actual cyclist"? How was BikeE design not reliable? (implementation had its glitches with some recalls for forks and swing arms, etc...) Tom Sherman wrote: What is wrong with the BikeE [1] that a few minor tweaks could not have fixed? Chalo wrote: Where do you "tweak" a bike that handles like you're trying to ride it backwards? I never experienced a feeling of "handles like you're trying to ride it backwards" on my BikeE. Nor did apparently and of the dozens of people from age 7 to 70 who tried mine. All able to ride it within minutes of starting... Of my three recumbents, the BikeE has the best low-speed tight handling characteristics. For me it seems a matter of center of gravity, wheelbase and lack of heel strike... I'm no expert but for starts, the usual chaise lounge format is with 2 rails, one on either side, not one down the middle. The mesh back seat is well proven by bikes from Easy Racers, RANS, etc. Jon |
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