Latest trend - double top tube!

bfd wrote:

According to the seller, the double top tube bike weighs *only* 8 oz
more than the single top tube version. That's basically 3/4 to 1 full
water bottle...Good Luck!

That's a single cup of water, by the way. Assuming 22 oz. per full
water bottle, well... you do the math. One fl. oz. of water is darned
close to one oz. dry measure-- actually a little bit more if memory
serves me.

Chalo

On Sep 4, 2:25*am, Chalo wrote:
bfd wrote:

According to the seller, the double top tube bike weighs *only* 8 oz
more than the single top tube version. That's basically 3/4 to 1 full
water bottle...Good Luck!

That's a single cup of water, by the way. *Assuming 22 oz. per full
water bottle, well... you do the math. *One fl. oz. of water is darned
close to one oz. dry measure-- actually a little bit more if memory
serves me.

Yeah, but *weight-weenies* will "do the math" and look at that same
8oz as 227 GRAMS!!! AHHHH, you expect them to increase the weight of
their bikes by what 1/4 lb???!!!! ABSURD!!!!

On Sep 4, 10:36 am, bfd wrote:
On Sep 4, 2:25 am, Chalo wrote: bfd wrote:

According to the seller, the double top tube bike weighs *only* 8 oz
more than the single top tube version. That's basically 3/4 to 1 full
water bottle...Good Luck!

That's a single cup of water, by the way. Assuming 22 oz. per full
water bottle, well... you do the math. One fl. oz. of water is darned
close to one oz. dry measure-- actually a little bit more if memory
serves me.

Yeah, but *weight-weenies* will "do the math" and look at that same
8oz as 227 GRAMS!!! AHHHH, you expect them to increase the weight of
their bikes by what 1/4 lb???!!!! ABSURD!!!!

But it's 1/4 lb that's easily jettisoned if it turns out too much to
carry ;-)

Dan O wrote:
On Sep 4, 10:36 am, bfd wrote:
On Sep 4, 2:25 am, Chalo wrote: bfd wrote:

According to the seller, the double top tube bike weighs *only* 8 oz
more than the single top tube version. That's basically 3/4 to 1 full
water bottle...Good Luck!

That's a single cup of water, by the way. Assuming 22 oz. per full
water bottle, well... you do the math. One fl. oz. of water is darned
close to one oz. dry measure-- actually a little bit more if memory
serves me.

Yeah, but *weight-weenies* will "do the math" and look at that same
8oz as 227 GRAMS!!! AHHHH, you expect them to increase the weight of
their bikes by what 1/4 lb???!!!! ABSURD!!!!

But it's 1/4 lb that's easily jettisoned if it turns out too much to
carry ;-)


I tend to jettison my water *after* my body has processed it.

:-)


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On Sep 2, 11:21*am, bfd wrote:
OK, it appears the demand for 650b wheels or "29er" bikes have
diminished. So, you ask what is the latest trend? How about DOUBLE TOP
TUBES!

I'm not talking about a 64 or 68cm frame that could probably use the
second tube for added stengthening and stiffness.

No, the following is a double top tube on a 56cm frameset:

http://www.renaissancebicycles.com/i...comparison.jpg

http://www.renaissancebicycles.com/i...e-toptubes.jpg

http://www.renaissancebicycles.com/i...rnes-front.jpg

Get with it, you know you all want one....

The double top tube was the official confirmation of Grant Petersen
going off the deep end IMO. Sure, large and/or heavily loaded frames
need more stiffening. Sane people accomplish that by increasing the
tubing diameter rather than adhering slavishly to a lugged and spindly
(now with extra spindles!) aesthetic.

-pm

On Sep 5, 1:43*am, pm wrote:
On Sep 2, 11:21*am, bfd wrote:



OK, it appears the demand for 650b wheels or "29er" bikes have
diminished. So, you ask what is the latest trend? How about DOUBLE TOP
TUBES!

I'm not talking about a 64 or 68cm frame that could probably use the
second tube for added stengthening and stiffness.

No, the following is a double top tube on a 56cm frameset:

http://www.renaissancebicycles.com/i...comparison.jpg

http://www.renaissancebicycles.com/i...e-toptubes.jpg

http://www.renaissancebicycles.com/i...rnes-front.jpg

Get with it, you know you all want one....

The double top tube was the official confirmation of Grant Petersen
going off the deep end IMO. Sure, large and/or heavily loaded frames
need more stiffening. Sane people accomplish that by increasing the
tubing diameter rather than adhering slavishly to a lugged and spindly
(now with extra spindles!) aesthetic.

-pm

Also, how are they going to keep pushing the bull**** "laterally stiff
but vertically compliant" mantra if they keep adding in-plane members?

On Sep 5, 5:14*am, Art wrote:
On Sep 5, 1:43*am, pm wrote:





On Sep 2, 11:21*am, bfd wrote:

OK, it appears the demand for 650b wheels or "29er" bikes have
diminished. So, you ask what is the latest trend? How about DOUBLE TOP
TUBES!

I'm not talking about a 64 or 68cm frame that could probably use the
second tube for added stengthening and stiffness.

No, the following is a double top tube on a 56cm frameset:

http://www.renaissancebicycles.com/i...comparison.jpg

http://www.renaissancebicycles.com/i...e-toptubes.jpg

http://www.renaissancebicycles.com/i...rnes-front.jpg

Get with it, you know you all want one....

The double top tube was the official confirmation of Grant Petersen
going off the deep end IMO. Sure, large and/or heavily loaded frames
need more stiffening. Sane people accomplish that by increasing the
tubing diameter rather than adhering slavishly to a lugged and spindly
(now with extra spindles!) aesthetic.

-pm

Also, how are they going to keep pushing the bull**** "laterally stiff
but vertically compliant" mantra if they keep adding in-plane members?

Actually, in fairness to Grant/Rivendell, that's not really their
slogan. Instead, one the following, to name a few, may be a better
fit:

"steel is real"
"we love lugs"
"raise da stem"
"650b - like riding on fast marshmellows"

Actually, here's an official one which I believe is from a bumper
sticker or t-shirt:

"Wear wool, sit on leather, ride lugged steel" (which sounds kind of
lame, but that is their taste, go figure)

and I'm sure there are tons more....Good Luck!

On Fri, 03 Sep 2010 14:47:33 -0400, clare wrote:

This might help:
http://www.renaissancebicycles.com/gallery/?album=7&gallery=66

Â* Looks like the old "tank" my brother used to ride in the sixties -
an old CCM "Cleveland" from the forties. Weighed a ton.

According to the seller, the double top tube bike weighs *only* 8 oz
more than the single top tube version. That's basically 3/4 to 1 full
water bottle...Good Luck!
Didn't say the new one was heavy - but that darned old Cleveland sure
was!!!

* * *
clare,

Maybe this double top tube frame could support a 300 pounder that desires
to lose a bit of weight, and an addition water bottle (8oz as 227
GRAMS!!!) would not be noticed...

Maybe the old Cleveland would not be the anchor for that weight rider
either...

JR the postman