Why are they allowed to block Cycle Route 1 and the Thames Path?

On Tue, 10 Jan 2012 17:54:25 -0800 (PST), Simon Mason
wrote:

On Jan 10, 3:42*pm, (Roger Merriman) wrote:
Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Sun, 08 Jan 2012 11:53:44 +0000, Tony Dragon
wrote:

You don't seem to know much about this. It is perfectly possible to
use the Woolwich Ferry if you don't mind dismounting and being treated
as a second class road user.

Funny every time I have been near the Woolwich ferry, the cyclists have
not joined the queue but have cycled up to the front before getting on
the ferry.
Hardly being treated as a second class user.

I absolutely agree with you. Cyclists are given 5* treatment on the
Woolwich Ferry - when it's running.

I've not used it, on a bike myself but on foot, But yes why on earth
would i want to wait with the cars on the deck? and why would the ferry
want me to? bikes not being as big or as heavy.

rather pleasent way to cross the river really.

Roger
--www.rogermerriman.com

Indeed.
Cycles get free and priority passage on the Hull - Rotterdam ferry.

On the Dover to Calais crossing tandem cyclists are charged *more*
than tandem motorcyclists.

On Jan 10, 6:21*pm, Tony Dragon wrote:

No drivers are not made to dismount and cyclists are herded into a
confined space after dismounting.

The last time I used the ferry my car was herded into a confined space.

I always pay an extra £10 for priority parking on the Rotterdam ferry
which means you are the first off the ship when it docks. This saves
you getting stuck behind some numpty who is late in getting into their
car.

--
Simon Mason

On Tue, 10 Jan 2012 17:54:25 -0800 (PST), Simon Mason
wrote:

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Indeed.
Cycles get free and priority passage on the Hull - Rotterdam ferry.



You need to report the error on P&O's web page.

It is trying to charge one adult plus bicycle at £120.

Unless you've just let a little piglet lose there.


(Is Porky still your legal advisor? I think I would find someone else if I was
you :-)

On Jan 11, 7:24*am, Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Tue, 10 Jan 2012 17:54:25 -0800 (PST), Simon Mason





wrote:
On Jan 10, 3:42 pm, (Roger Merriman) wrote:
Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Sun, 08 Jan 2012 11:53:44 +0000, Tony Dragon
wrote:

You don't seem to know much about this. It is perfectly possible to
use the Woolwich Ferry if you don't mind dismounting and being treated
as a second class road user.

Funny every time I have been near the Woolwich ferry, the cyclists have
not joined the queue but have cycled up to the front before getting on
the ferry.
Hardly being treated as a second class user.

I absolutely agree with you. Cyclists are given 5* treatment on the
Woolwich Ferry - when it's running.

I've not used it, on a bike myself but on foot, But yes why on earth
would i want to wait with the cars on the deck? and why would the ferry
want me to? bikes not being as big or as heavy.

rather pleasent way to cross the river really.

Roger
--www.rogermerriman.com

Indeed.
Cycles get free and priority passage on the Hull - Rotterdam ferry.

On the Dover to Calais crossing tandem cyclists are charged *more*
than tandem motorcyclists.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


That is a disgrace - I would make a complaint.

--
Simon Mason

On Wed, 11 Jan 2012 02:54:33 -0800 (PST), Simon Mason
wrote:

On Jan 11, 7:24*am, Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Tue, 10 Jan 2012 17:54:25 -0800 (PST), Simon Mason





wrote:
On Jan 10, 3:42 pm, (Roger Merriman) wrote:
Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Sun, 08 Jan 2012 11:53:44 +0000, Tony Dragon
wrote:

You don't seem to know much about this. It is perfectly possible to
use the Woolwich Ferry if you don't mind dismounting and being treated
as a second class road user.

Funny every time I have been near the Woolwich ferry, the cyclists have
not joined the queue but have cycled up to the front before getting on
the ferry.
Hardly being treated as a second class user.

I absolutely agree with you. Cyclists are given 5* treatment on the
Woolwich Ferry - when it's running.

I've not used it, on a bike myself but on foot, But yes why on earth
would i want to wait with the cars on the deck? and why would the ferry
want me to? bikes not being as big or as heavy.

rather pleasent way to cross the river really.

Roger
--www.rogermerriman.com

Indeed.
Cycles get free and priority passage on the Hull - Rotterdam ferry.

On the Dover to Calais crossing tandem cyclists are charged *more*
than tandem motorcyclists.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


That is a disgrace - I would make a complaint.

I already have done so.

They comprehensively rubbished my complaint. The thrust of their
argument was that cycles go free, therefore a tandem cyclist counts as
two pedestrians; cars and motorbikes are charged per vehicle and that
is that.

On 11/01/2012 19:08, Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Wed, 11 Jan 2012 02:54:33 -0800 (PST), Simon Mason
wrote:

On Jan 11, 7:24 am, Bertie wrote:
On Tue, 10 Jan 2012 17:54:25 -0800 (PST), Simon Mason





wrote:
On Jan 10, 3:42 pm, (Roger Merriman) wrote:
Bertie wrote:
On Sun, 08 Jan 2012 11:53:44 +0000, Tony Dragon
wrote:

You don't seem to know much about this. It is perfectly possible to
use the Woolwich Ferry if you don't mind dismounting and being treated
as a second class road user.

Funny every time I have been near the Woolwich ferry, the cyclists have
not joined the queue but have cycled up to the front before getting on
the ferry.
Hardly being treated as a second class user.

I absolutely agree with you. Cyclists are given 5* treatment on the
Woolwich Ferry - when it's running.

I've not used it, on a bike myself but on foot, But yes why on earth
would i want to wait with the cars on the deck? and why would the ferry
want me to? bikes not being as big or as heavy.

rather pleasent way to cross the river really.

Roger
--www.rogermerriman.com

Indeed.
Cycles get free and priority passage on the Hull - Rotterdam ferry.

On the Dover to Calais crossing tandem cyclists are charged *more*
than tandem motorcyclists.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


That is a disgrace - I would make a complaint.

I already have done so.

They comprehensively rubbished my complaint.

Yup. P&O can spot a tosser a mile away.



--
Dave - Cyclists VOR. "Many people barely recognise the bicycle as a
legitimate mode of transport; it is either a toy for children or a
vehicle fit only for the poor and/or strange," Dave Horton - Lancaster
University

On Jan 11, 7:08*pm, Bertie Wooster wrote:

That is a disgrace - I would make a complaint.

I already have done so.

They comprehensively rubbished my complaint. The thrust of their
argument was that cycles go free, therefore a tandem cyclist counts as
two pedestrians; cars and motorbikes are charged per vehicle and that
is that.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

The Peninsular and Oriental Steam Navigation Company sailing out of
Hull every day would seem to be more enlightened then.

--
Simon Mason

On Wed, 11 Jan 2012 23:44:46 +0000, Dave - Cyclists VOR
wrote:

P&O can spot a tosser a mile away.

Is that no your excuse for bottling it at Dover?

On Jan 10, 6:21*pm, Tony Dragon wrote:
On 10/01/2012 07:16, Doug wrote:









On Jan 8, 1:31 pm, *wrote:
On 08/01/2012 06:52, Doug wrote:

On Jan 7, 10:04 pm, * *wrote:
On 07/01/2012 21:19, Phil W Lee wrote:
Bertie :
Phil W * *wrote:
Is it not past time that the case was taken to the magistrates court
as the public highway is clearly "out of repair"?
(Crown court is only necessary if they dispute their liability to
maintain it, which would be difficult if they are already conducting
works on it!)
The magistrates, when finding that it is indeed out of repair, must
then make an order forcing the council to put it back into repair in a
reasonable time.
Highways Act 1980 s56
A guide can be found he
http://www.iprow.co.uk/gpg/index.php/Section_56_Process
Bridges and tunnels do form part of the highway.
s328(2). Meaning of 'highway'
(2) Where a highway passes over a bridge or through a tunnel, that
bridge or tunnel is to be taken for the purposes of this Act to be a
part of the highway.
And it seems that although they have the poser to do the works under
s66(3), s66(8) requires them to pay damages to anyone who sustains
damage due to the works carried out under that section.
It may also be worth pointing out that the authority has clearly
failed in it's duty under s175A, in that it has failed to have regard
to the needs of disabled and blind in executing works.
All good points, except possibly the last. One of the reasons for the
extensive works is to install a 24 hour lift service. The orignal
lifts were only operated 7am to 7pm and needed an operator.
I'm mainly referring to the complete absence of any alternative
provision.
So far from there being a "complete absence of any alternative provision",
there is in fact plenty of alternative provision. Whether it is fully
acceptable and available at the price the user prefers to pay is another
question (and not much to do with the topic).

Remember that last bit when you read below.

For instance, a cyclist who had wished to walk/carry his bike through the
Greenwich *Foot* Tunnel can divert via Tower Bridge (on the bike). Or he can
divert to Dartford and use the Thames Crossing there. He and his machine will
apparently be carried in a motor vehicle across the bridge or through the
tunnel at no charge to himself, ie, at the expense of toll-paying users of
the Crossing.
Or he can use the Rotherhithe or Blackwall Tunnels on the same basis, except
that he will have to contract and *pay* for carriage in a motor-vehicle (just
like other users of those tunnels).
Alternatively, and bearing in mind that many users might not be prepared to
pay for safe carriage, they could - as long as it is between certain hours of
the day - use the Woolwich Ferry, free of charge.
So let's recap on the alternative provsions:
(a) Tower Bridge, as a cyclist, FOC.
Much longer distance.

And?

(b) Dartford Crossing, as a passenger and goods, FOC.
Much longer distance.

And?

(c) Rotherhithe Tunnel, as a passenger and goods, full economic cost (like
anyone else using that route).
Its possible to cycling in this tunnel amid all the traffic fumes

Yes, I realised that after I'd pressed the send button, but thanks for the
reminder.

but its best done on the pavement to avoid annoying hooting drivers
with your slowness as there is no overtaking allowed.

Is walking through that tunnel permitted? I genuinely don't know.

Yes its permitted.

(d) Blackwall Tunnel(s), as a passenger and goods, full economic cost (like
anyone else using that route).
Hardly feasible.

It's as feasible as it is for anyone else needing to carry a cargo through
the tunnel. A disabled-access taxi might be big enough. Plenty of people ride
through the tunnels in taxis. It's hardly a plutocratic solution.

The point I wish to emphasise is that cyclists, unlike motorists, are
made to dismount, thus becoming a pedestrian, and are made to adopt
alternative means of transport.

(e) Woolwich Ferry, as a passenger and goods, FOC.
You don't seem to know much about this. It is perfectly possible to
use the Woolwich Ferry if you don't mind dismounting and being treated
as a second class road user.

Drivers are treated in the same way, to a nicety. It's a BOAT.

No drivers are not made to dismount and cyclists are herded into a
confined space after dismounting.

The last time I used the ferry my car was herded into a confined space.


But you didn't have to dismount and seek aid to cross at the Blackwall
Tunnel and Dartford Crossing. After Tower Bridge the only crossing
where cyclists don't have to dismount is Rotherhithe and maybe
Woolwich Ferry if they are lucky. The provision for cyclists is
pathetic, as usual, and especially for disabled cyclists. It is
naturally and wrongly assumed that cyclists must always be good at
walking.

-- .
All public road users are equal but some are more equal than others.

On 12/01/2012 07:48, Doug wrote:
..
All public road users are equal but some are more equal than others.




Yup. The ones that pay Road Tax.
--
Dave - Cyclists VOR. "Many people barely recognise the bicycle as a
legitimate mode of transport; it is either a toy for children or a
vehicle fit only for the poor and/or strange," Dave Horton - Lancaster
University