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  #11  
Old June 19th 19, 09:43 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Kerr-Mudd,John[_2_]
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On Wed, 19 Jun 2019 17:32:52 GMT, "Mr Pounder Esquire"
wrote:

Kerr-Mudd,John wrote:
On Tue, 18 Jun 2019 19:59:20 GMT, "Mr Pounder Esquire"
wrote:

JNugent wrote:

[]

Mr Nugent
Why are you feeding this pillock?

Snowflake.


You are a poverty cycling pillock, and that is all you ever will be.


You know nothing. But we know that you're a chisel-wielding menace to
society.



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Bah, and indeed, Humbug.
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  #12  
Old June 19th 19, 10:05 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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Kerr-Mudd,John wrote:
On Wed, 19 Jun 2019 17:32:52 GMT, "Mr Pounder Esquire"
wrote:

Kerr-Mudd,John wrote:
On Tue, 18 Jun 2019 19:59:20 GMT, "Mr Pounder Esquire"
wrote:

JNugent wrote:

[]

Mr Nugent
Why are you feeding this pillock?

Snowflake.


You are a poverty cycling pillock, and that is all you ever will be.


You know nothing. But we know that you're a chisel-wielding menace to
society.



You are a poverty cycling pillock, and that is all you ever will be.



  #13  
Old June 21st 19, 09:37 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
TMS320
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On 18/06/2019 19:58, JNugent wrote:

If it happens, just *stop*. Forget your ego for a few seconds.


The required action is to avoid. This is done successfully many
thousands of times a day by drivers and cyclists and the moment is
forgotten a few seconds later. There may be times when stopping is a
necessary action.

The fact that the victim didn't look before stepping forward does not
mean that you are entitled to mow her down. But you have made it clear
again and again that that is what you really want to do.


One is always free to think they 'deserve it'. Please don't try to claim
you never do.
  #14  
Old June 21st 19, 04:40 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Peter Keller[_3_]
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On 18. 6. 2019 21:59, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
JNugent wrote:
On 18/06/2019 19:44, Simon Jester wrote:
On Tuesday, June 18, 2019 at 3:50:10 PM UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
On 18/06/2019 14:06, Modesty wrote:

A pedestrian gets hits by a cyclist. The case goes to court and the
judge decides that because the pedestrian was using her phone and
not looking-out when she stepped into the road to cross, she must
accept 50% of the blame for a resulting collision with the
cyclist. The judge also accepts that the cyclist is a "calm and
reasonable road user" and at the time of the crash was not cycling
aggressively nor recklessly. Still, however, the judge rules that the
cyclist must pay the
pedestrian thousands of pounds in compensation (the case will
return to court at a later date for the amount of compensation to
be decided).

How can that be right? If the pedestrian was 50% at fault for the
accident how can the cyclist's fault be the greater?

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/lond...-a4169716.html

The principle of apportioning blame in civil proceedings -
especially those arising out of traffic accidents - is not a
mystery. Where the nominal victim is 50% to blame, the damages (for
pain, stress, suffering, loss of earnings or whatever) from the
other party can be reduced by 50%.

So had they otherwise been, say, £10,000, he/she would get £5,000.

Of course, the same thing can apply the other way round - if there
is a loss to be quantified.

In a motor vehicle collision, relevant insurance companies usually
(though not always) manage to come to some agreement over these
matters without the need for court action, unless there has been
some substantial injury.

It has been established by other recent case(s) that a driver or
cyclist must do their best to avoid a pedestrian, even a pedestrian
who has walked out into the carriageway without taking full account
of the traffic. There is no available excuse of "It was MY right of
way". As I understand it, the cyclist in the instant case might
well have been able to stop in time, but decided to continue in the
hope that he would be able to avoid the pedestrian. We've heard of
that sort of case before. An emergency stop (which is what the law
actually expects us to do in this sort of circumstance) is what the
brakes are for.

So if the cyclist sues the pedestrian the cyclist will be awarded
the same compensation and both can walk away empty handed after
wasting the court's time.


"...If....".

It depends on lots of answers we don't know about the reported case.

Seriously, you walk in to the road with your head down on your phone
and get hit by a cyclist...


...who could have avoided the collision by stopping but didn't out of
a fit of pique and after all, it was "his right of way"...

Grow up and take responsibility for your actions. Why, in modern
society, is it always someone else's fault?


Some things are your fault. Some things aren't.

Deciding which is which is the job of the court.

Then there is the question of why she was not wearing a helmet.


Grow up and take responsibility for your own actions. Why, in modern
society, is it always someone else's fault?

If it happens, just *stop*. Forget your ego for a few seconds.

The fact that the victim didn't look before stepping forward does not
mean that you are entitled to mow her down. But you have made it clear
again and again that that is what you really want to do.


Mr Nugent
Why are you feeding this pillock?


It is a free country.
He is allowed to fee anyone he likes.
  #15  
Old June 21st 19, 04:40 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Peter Keller[_3_]
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On 19. 6. 2019 19:32, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
Kerr-Mudd,John wrote:
On Tue, 18 Jun 2019 19:59:20 GMT, "Mr Pounder Esquire"
wrote:

JNugent wrote:
On 18/06/2019 19:44, Simon Jester wrote:
On Tuesday, June 18, 2019 at 3:50:10 PM UTC+1, JNugent wrote:
On 18/06/2019 14:06, Modesty wrote:

A pedestrian gets hits by a cyclist. The case goes to court and
the judge decides that because the pedestrian was using her phone
and not looking-out when she stepped into the road to cross, she
must accept 50% of the blame for a resulting collision with the
cyclist. The judge also accepts that the cyclist is a "calm and
reasonable road user" and at the time of the crash was not
cycling aggressively nor recklessly. Still, however, the judge
rules that the cyclist must pay the
pedestrian thousands of pounds in compensation (the case will
return to court at a later date for the amount of compensation to
be decided).

How can that be right? If the pedestrian was 50% at fault for the
accident how can the cyclist's fault be the greater?

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/lond...a-teacher-hit-
by-cyclist-as-she-crossed-road-on-her-phone-a4169716.html

The principle of apportioning blame in civil proceedings -
especially those arising out of traffic accidents - is not a
mystery. Where the nominal victim is 50% to blame, the damages
(for pain, stress, suffering, loss of earnings or whatever) from
the other party can be reduced by 50%.

So had they otherwise been, say, £10,000, he/she would get £5,000.

Of course, the same thing can apply the other way round - if there
is a loss to be quantified.

In a motor vehicle collision, relevant insurance companies usually
(though not always) manage to come to some agreement over these
matters without the need for court action, unless there has been
some substantial injury.

It has been established by other recent case(s) that a driver or
cyclist must do their best to avoid a pedestrian, even a
pedestrian who has walked out into the carriageway without taking
full account of the traffic. There is no available excuse of "It
was MY right of way". As I understand it, the cyclist in the
instant case might well have been able to stop in time, but
decided to continue in the hope that he would be able to avoid
the pedestrian. We've heard of that sort of case before. An
emergency stop (which is what the law actually expects us to do
in this sort of circumstance) is what the brakes are for.

So if the cyclist sues the pedestrian the cyclist will be awarded
the same compensation and both can walk away empty handed after
wasting the court's time.

"...If....".

It depends on lots of answers we don't know about the reported case.

Seriously, you walk in to the road with your head down on your
phone and get hit by a cyclist...

...who could have avoided the collision by stopping but didn't out
of a fit of pique and after all, it was "his right of way"...

Grow up and take responsibility for your actions. Why, in modern
society, is it always someone else's fault?

Some things are your fault. Some things aren't.

Deciding which is which is the job of the court.

Then there is the question of why she was not wearing a helmet.

Grow up and take responsibility for your own actions. Why, in modern
society, is it always someone else's fault?

If it happens, just *stop*. Forget your ego for a few seconds.

The fact that the victim didn't look before stepping forward does
not mean that you are entitled to mow her down. But you have made it
clear again and again that that is what you really want to do.

Mr Nugent
Why are you feeding this pillock?

Snowflake.


You are a poverty cycling pillock, and that is all you ever will be.




ANd that is a real great compliment, coming from YOU.
  #16  
Old June 21st 19, 04:41 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Peter Keller[_3_]
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On 19. 6. 2019 22:43, Kerr-Mudd,John wrote:
On Wed, 19 Jun 2019 17:32:52 GMT, "Mr Pounder Esquire"
wrote:

Kerr-Mudd,John wrote:
On Tue, 18 Jun 2019 19:59:20 GMT, "Mr Pounder Esquire"
wrote:

JNugent wrote:

[]

Mr Nugent
Why are you feeding this pillock?

Snowflake.


You are a poverty cycling pillock, and that is all you ever will be.


You know nothing. But we know that you're a chisel-wielding menace to
society.



Yes. Chisel smeared with vomit and turd.
  #17  
Old June 21st 19, 04:43 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Peter Keller[_3_]
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Default It's half my fault but your fault is the greater

On 19. 6. 2019 23:05, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
Kerr-Mudd,John wrote:
On Wed, 19 Jun 2019 17:32:52 GMT, "Mr Pounder Esquire"
wrote:

Kerr-Mudd,John wrote:
On Tue, 18 Jun 2019 19:59:20 GMT, "Mr Pounder Esquire"
wrote:

JNugent wrote:

[]

Mr Nugent
Why are you feeding this pillock?

Snowflake.

You are a poverty cycling pillock, and that is all you ever will be.


You know nothing. But we know that you're a chisel-wielding menace to
society.



You are a poverty cycling pillock, and that is all you ever will be.



Thanks greatly for the compliment.
Now ejaculate to me the further honour of walking vomit.
  #18  
Old June 21st 19, 08:30 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
jnugent
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On 21/06/2019 09:37, TMS320 wrote:
On 18/06/2019 19:58, JNugent wrote:

If it happens, just *stop*. Forget your ego for a few seconds.


The required action is to avoid. This is done successfully many
thousands of times a day by drivers and cyclists and the moment is
forgotten a few seconds later. There may be times when stopping is a
necessary action.


....and this was one of them.

He didn't even have the excuse of having no brakes.

The fact that the victim didn't look before stepping forward does not
mean that you are entitled to mow her down. But you have made it clear
again and again that that is what you really want to do.


One is always free to think they 'deserve it'. Please don't try to claim
you never do.


Some videos from YouTube and other places, many of them linked from this
very NG, have indeed provided a sense of satisfaction arising out of
seeing "the biter bit".

But I would *never* do less than take every possible step to avoid a
collision, whether with another motor vehicle, a cyclist or a pedestrian.

  #19  
Old June 22nd 19, 12:43 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
TMS320
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Default It's half my fault but your fault is the greater

On 21/06/2019 20:30, JNugent wrote:
On 21/06/2019 09:37, TMS320 wrote:
On 18/06/2019 19:58, JNugent wrote:

If it happens, just *stop*. Forget your ego for a few seconds.


The required action is to avoid. This is done successfully many
thousands of times a day by drivers and cyclists and the moment is
forgotten a few seconds later. There may be times when stopping is a
necessary action.


...and this was one of them.

He didn't even have the excuse of having no brakes.

The fact that the victim didn't look before stepping forward does not
mean that you are entitled to mow her down. But you have made it
clear again and again that that is what you really want to do.


One is always free to think they 'deserve it'. Please don't try to
claim you never do.


Some videos from YouTube and other places, many of them linked from this
very NG, have indeed provided a sense of satisfaction arising out of
seeing "the biter bit".


Large numbers from car drivers.

But I would *never* do less than take every possible step to avoid a
collision, whether with another motor vehicle, a cyclist or a pedestrian.


Intention might be there but sometimes the steps taken can be the wrong
steps. Youtube also reveals many of these.


  #20  
Old June 22nd 19, 08:30 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
jnugent
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On 22/06/2019 12:43, TMS320 wrote:
On 21/06/2019 20:30, JNugent wrote:
On 21/06/2019 09:37, TMS320 wrote:
On 18/06/2019 19:58, JNugent wrote:

If it happens, just *stop*. Forget your ego for a few seconds.

The required action is to avoid. This is done successfully many
thousands of times a day by drivers and cyclists and the moment is
forgotten a few seconds later. There may be times when stopping is a
necessary action.


...and this was one of them.

He didn't even have the excuse of having no brakes.

The fact that the victim didn't look before stepping forward does
not mean that you are entitled to mow her down. But you have made it
clear again and again that that is what you really want to do.

One is always free to think they 'deserve it'. Please don't try to
claim you never do.


Some videos from YouTube and other places, many of them linked from
this very NG, have indeed provided a sense of satisfaction arising out
of seeing "the biter bit".


Large numbers from car drivers.

But I would *never* do less than take every possible step to avoid a
collision, whether with another motor vehicle, a cyclist or a pedestrian.


Intention might be there but sometimes the steps taken can be the wrong
steps. Youtube also reveals many of these.


In order to avoid taking the "wrong steps" it is necessary to take the
steps least likely to lead to a collision. That will always be abn
application of the brakes rather than an application of an air-horn to
try to frighten the victim out of the way. And that cyclist has now
learned that, even if some others refuse to.

Looks like he's going to have to make a claim on his domestic insurance,
so what's the problem?
 




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