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Reflections after the election: Lacunae in the education of e...
On Nov 9, 12:26*pm, (Michael Baldwin) wrote:
*As long as there is one person hungry, homeless, ill or deprived of any selfish want in America, true capitalism must be considered to be a "failure". * As long as there is one person denied his "selfish want" of a Rolls- Royce convertible, "true" capitalism is a failure? Well, if you're serious (your remarks read like the parodies of the pinkos that I used to write back when they had enough influence to matter), I guarantee that you and the other do-nothing whiners will forever have your heart's content of whining. That's an impossible target. But then setting impossible targets for others to achieve is the specialty of leftwing whiners. But you're an innocent in economics, too. Did you know for instance that about 2% of unemployment is natural and desirable to permit workforce mobility? Any less and you get inflation which cuts into the calorie-intake of the very poorest members of society. Andre Jute The last rationalist |
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Reflections after the election: Lacunae in the education of engineers
Andre Jute wrote:
On Nov 9, 5:27 am, Tom Sherman wrote: Andre Jute wrote: [...]Kyoto isn't just a feelgood expression of white middle- class guilt, and as pointless, it is, in its true perspective, as murderously misdirected as the banning of DDT, which has resulted in the deaths of tens of millions of the poorest people on earth. To hell with the birds that were almost driven to extinction by the overuse of DDT. Me, I vote for people before birds. And, in any event, that scare story about birds was never proven. Show me the species that went extinct, Mr Meyers, if you're such an American Genius. It has become clear that Mr. Jute picks and chooses which parts of science he wants to believe to fit his economic right-wing ideology. -- Tom Sherman - 42.435731,-83.985007 If you are not a part of the solution, you are a part of the precipitate. |
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Reflections after the election: Lacunae in the education of e...
On Nov 9, 4:26 am, (Michael Baldwin) wrote:
As long as there is one person hungry, homeless, ill or deprived of any selfish want in America, true capitalism must be considered to be a "failure". So how many hungry, homeless, ill, deprived, and dying children are acceptable to you? (I would disagree with the part about "selfish want". That's sort of what capitalism is all about.) |
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Reflections after the election: Lacunae in the education ofengineers
On Nov 9, 10:06 am, Andre Jute wrote:
On Nov 9, 5:27 am, Tom Sherman wrote: Andre Jute wrote: On Nov 9, 3:23 am, Still Just Me wrote: On Sat, 8 Nov 2008 13:00:37 -0800 (PST), Andre Jute wrote: Yeah, protectionism is really going to work, just like it worked every time before. American workers just priced themselves out of the market. There's a difference between "over priced" and "can't compete with 35 cent an hour third world labor". You should provide a source for "35 cent an hour third world labor". No top quality steel is made by labourers earning 35 cents an hour. In Taiwan for instance, bluecollar workers are well paid and live well and have benefits that American can only dream of. American unions priced their people out of the market, period. And over in mainland China, workers manufacturer bicycles with wages from 15 to 50 cents per hour with no benefits. The factories are also free to pollute. And the people who're whining loudest for protectionism are the same people who want to make it impossible for American workers ever again to be efficient, by demands to keep oil prices high, I haven't seen anyone demanding that. You must be blind to have missed a thread on this conference called "Tax to keep oil at $70 per barrel?" Look into getting a seeing-eye do. They don't eat much and they offer unconditional love. Dog? for instance, by demands that the US government join stupid, counterproductive environmental schemes like the Kyoto Agreement. Yes, heaven forbid we pay attention to preserving the planet - and how dare we suggest that corporations earn less profit by paying to compensate for the damage they do. I mean, after all, the environment does belong to them, not the people on the planet! If Kyoto was about making the polluter pay, I would be for it. It isn't, it is about penalizing the already efficient. If Kyoto would result in less pollution, I would be for it. It isn't, it will result in more pollution and cost more than it would cost to bring health, education and clean water to the entire huddled, starving masses of the world. Kyoto isn't just a feelgood expression of white middle- class guilt, and as pointless, it is, in its true perspective, as murderously misdirected as the banning of DDT, which has resulted in the deaths of tens of millions of the poorest people on earth. To hell with the birds that were almost driven to extinction by the overuse of DDT. Me, I vote for people before birds. And, in any event, that scare story about birds was never proven. Show me the species that went extinct, Mr Meyers, if you're such an American Genius. Andre Jute Laughing out loud Canary in a coal mine. (Dumbass!) |
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Reflections after the election: Lacunae in the education ofengineers
Andre Jute wrote:
They might, eventually, but they aren't given a chance. The US has for decades used aid fund blackmail effectively to ban the effective use of DDT where it is needed, in Africa for instance. Tens of millions of the poorest and most defenseless women and children on earth have died for a chimera. It was never proven that a single person died of cancer induced by DDT. Rachel Carson inspired a genocide bigger than Stalin mass murder of the kulaks, much bigger than Hitler's puny efforts at a holocaust, unimaginably bigger than Pol Pot's pukey little trial run. Those who marched in the streets for the banning of DDT, pressured their pols, uncritically reported scare stories, put the birdies before humans, are mass murderers. This is absolute nonsense & we have been all over it befo http://groups.google.com/group/rec.b...031a753c?hl=en |
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Reflections after the election: Lacunae in the education ofe...
DanHole writes:
So how many hungry, homeless, ill, deprived, and dying children are acceptable to you? ...let's make it 666, just to make evangelicals feel needed... (I would disagree with the part about "selfish want". That's sort of what capitalism is all about.) ...agreed! Like those "selfish" hayseeds working a family farm or the "selfish" greasemonkey bust'in his knuckles everyday at his shop, just to put his kid through school. Or the "selfish" short changing shop hack who works 7 days a week to provide for his family. I'm totally at a loss in trying to understand why so many people hate capitalist. Or is it fear? Which is DanHole? Hate or fear? just regards - Mike Baldwin |
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Reflections after the election: Lacunae in the education of e...
"Still Just Me" wrote:
[...] There's nothing wrong with capitalism. There is something wrong with massive corporate greed and behavior unchecked by reasonable regulation and fostered by government support and taxpayer funds. That's what gives all sensible people pause. But yet, 40 plus percent [1] of the 64 per4cent of USians that bothered to vote wanted to continue the policies of taking from the working person and giving to the rich, upward redistribution of income practiced by Reagan, Bush I, Clinton (to a much lesser extent) and Bush II (to the greatest extent). We have far to go. [1] Accounting to voter suppression effects that give Democrats a built in ca. 5 percent disadvantage. -- Tom Sherman - 42.435731,-83.985007 If you are not a part of the solution, you are a part of the precipitate. |
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Reflections after the election: Lacunae in the education ofe...
SJM writes:
There's nothing wrong with capitalism. There is something wrong with massive corporate greed and behavior unchecked by reasonable regulation and fostered by government support and taxpayer funds. That's what gives all sensible people pause. I think you'll agree you and I amazingly do see eye to eye here. That's a well written and concise counter point to the those who believe executive corruption with government aid is "capitalism" at work, it's not! Best Regards - Mike Baldwin |
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Reflections after the election: Lacunae in the education of e...
On Nov 9, 4:10 pm, (Michael Baldwin) wrote:
" The political math as to why these policies _factually_ worked cannot be discussed within the vacuum of denial and hatred which is so common in RBT. As long as there is one person hungry, homeless, ill or deprived of any selfish want in America, true capitalism must be considered to be a "failure". " To which Dan responded: So how many hungry, homeless, ill, deprived, and dying children are acceptable to you? ... 666... (Then, in consideration of MB's sarcasm) (I would disagree with the part about "selfish want". That's sort of what capitalism is all about.) I'm totally at a loss in trying to understand why so many people hate [the] capitalist. Or is it fear? Which is [it]? Hate or fear? I didn't even so much as imply that I "hate" any capitalist. Are you suggesting that a "selfish want" element of human nature is not what makes capitalism exist and function in the real world? |
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