|
|
Thread Tools | Display Modes |
#1
|
|||
|
|||
Purpose of this group
I give up. I joined this group to read and learn about bicycle related
information. Over the past month, I have seen nothing but flaming and irresponsible use of this group. If flaming is your flavor, then go some place else. All others need to block these folks and stop responding!!!!!! PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE STOP. Let's discuss biking or get out and ride. Steve |
Ads |
#2
|
|||
|
|||
Purpose of this group
Steve wrote:
: I give up. I joined this group to read and learn about bicycle related : information. Over the past month, I have seen nothing but flaming and : irresponsible use of this group. If flaming is your flavor, then go some : place else. All others need to block these folks and stop responding!!!!!! You're essentially making that old call, "don't feed the troll". : PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE STOP. Let's discuss biking or get out and ride. For me this seems to be a low-traffic newsgroup, the other cycling related groups are much more active. So the off-topic trolling becomes more visible here... Just stick around and wait for the next good thread, they come time to time. -- Risto Varanka | http://www.helsinki.fi/~rvaranka/hpv/hpv.html varis at no spam please iki fi |
#3
|
|||
|
|||
Purpose of this group
I'm with Steve. I just joined this group, and if I'm going to even spend
a few minutes reading crap by stupid trolls, I'll just stop. In the spirit of improving the atmosphere and doing something myself about the problem, I'll soon post a relevant topic. On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 00:49:09 +0000, risto.varanka wrote: Steve wrote: : I give up. I joined this group to read and learn about bicycle related : information. Over the past month, I have seen nothing but flaming and : irresponsible use of this group. If flaming is your flavor, then go some : place else. All others need to block these folks and stop responding!!!!!! You're essentially making that old call, "don't feed the troll". : PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE STOP. Let's discuss biking or get out and ride. For me this seems to be a low-traffic newsgroup, the other cycling related groups are much more active. So the off-topic trolling becomes more visible here... Just stick around and wait for the next good thread, they come time to time. |
#4
|
|||
|
|||
Purpose of this group
I couldn't agree more. If I had to pick the most relevant forum in America
right now, I would consider our looming problems with the end of the oil age, our deepening health crisis with obesity, skyrocketing costs of supporting motorists instead of citizens, how long commutes and being sealed inside cars is dissolving the fabric of our society, and the overall physical condition of our cities and communities and our increasing isolation and incivility. Taking this into account, I would look at the most efficient form of transportation on the planet, one that improves your health, relies on renewable fuel, and is essentially non-polluting - the bicycle. I would look at the torrent of subsidies going to the automobile at the expense of the bike. Then I look at rec.bicycles.soc; the forum that has the opportunity to become the molecule of steel at the tip of the spear for positive change, so to speak - and I'm proud - because I manage not to weep openly. "Steve" wrote in message ... I give up. I joined this group to read and learn about bicycle related information. Over the past month, I have seen nothing but flaming and irresponsible use of this group. If flaming is your flavor, then go some place else. All others need to block these folks and stop responding!!!!!! PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE STOP. Let's discuss biking or get out and ride. Steve |
#5
|
|||
|
|||
Purpose of this group
Dave Carroll wrote:
: I'm with Steve. I just joined this group, and if I'm going to even spend : a few minutes reading crap by stupid trolls, I'll just stop. In the : spirit of improving the atmosphere and doing something myself about the : problem, I'll soon post a relevant topic. Seems to be a disease of the cycling related newsgroups. Fortunately I can spot most suspicious threads and avoid the most potential flamewars. Well, killfiles might work too, though I only very rarely go that far. -- Risto Varanka | http://www.helsinki.fi/~rvaranka/hpv/hpv.html varis at no spam please iki fi |
#6
|
|||
|
|||
Warning: slightly on-topic ( Purpose of this group)
Robert Haston wrote:
: I couldn't agree more. If I had to pick the most relevant forum in America : right now, I would consider our looming problems with the end of the oil : age, our deepening health crisis with obesity, skyrocketing costs of I guess they said in 1970 that the oil age had ended. I think it was also predicted that oil would run out in a few decades, but I think they found some more in the meanwhile... : supporting motorists instead of citizens, how long commutes and being sealed : inside cars is dissolving the fabric of our society, and the overall : physical condition of our cities and communities and our increasing : isolation and incivility. What would you blame for the isolation of people in the society? Is it particularly a US problem, or do you see it elsewhere as well? Some people see the Internet as giving rise to more isolation and depression (Hubert Dreyfus for example). Are we undergoing a sort of physical alienation? I would see lots of positive aspects in online communication. Personally, it seems almost the only viable way to overcome the social isolation that already is in place in our lives... Maybe our society is undergoing a transformation in the social principles of association? : Taking this into account, I would look at the most efficient form of : transportation on the planet, one that improves your health, relies on : renewable fuel, and is essentially non-polluting - the bicycle. I would : look at the torrent of subsidies going to the automobile at the expense of : the bike. Is the bicycle really the most efficient form? You'd have to define efficiency too -- Risto Varanka | http://www.helsinki.fi/~rvaranka/hpv/hpv.html varis at no spam please iki fi |
#7
|
|||
|
|||
Warning: slightly on-topic ( Purpose of this group)
A road bicycle at moderate speeds moves more weight further faster with less
power input than any machine or animal on the planet. You are right about the definition of efficiency, as practical factors such as cost and cruising speed come into play. A human is about as efficient as a gas engine in converting power, but when you consider that fossil fuel is really "cheating" as incredible amounts of energy were expended to convert plant matter into gasoline, we are miles ahead. wrote in message ... Is the bicycle really the most efficient form? You'd have to define efficiency too -- Risto Varanka | http://www.helsinki.fi/~rvaranka/hpv/hpv.html varis at no spam please iki fi |
#9
|
|||
|
|||
Warning: slightly on-topic ( Purpose of this group)
Well, I think this really hasn't much bearing on the point you
would like to make, but sometimes it's fun to engage in a bit of hair-splitting :-) Robert Haston wrote: : A road bicycle at moderate speeds moves more weight further faster with less : power input than any machine or animal on the planet. .... except a sports recumbent. Or a faired racing recumbent. Have a look at http://www.m5-ligfietsen.com/english/snelheid2.htm Claiming them to be the most efficient vehicles (or at least the most efficient vehicles possible) would be daring though. How about wind-powered vehicles? Wind is free you know... Or vehicles on ice with skates? A snowboard would require little input for moving downhill too, though then you'd have some energy stored already... But this is changing the definition too :-) Who knows what kind of vehicles there will be available a century from now? : You are right about : the definition of efficiency, as practical factors such as cost and cruising : speed come into play. They sure do. When discussing speeds of recumbents, there are also some ifs and buts, some of them discussed ad nauseam in the other newsgroups. -- Risto Varanka | http://www.helsinki.fi/~rvaranka/hpv/hpv.html varis at no spam please iki fi |
#10
|
|||
|
|||
Purpose of this group
Robert Haston wrote:
Then I look at rec.bicycles.soc; the forum that has the opportunity to become the molecule of steel at the tip of the spear for positive change, so to speak - and I'm proud - because I manage not to weep openly. I think it's not just us; all of Usenet is going down the same path as the Jerry Springer Show. In every forum where more than one man of less than absolute civility, tolerance, and good will is allowed to post, this downward slide is inevitable. So why should Usenet be the tip of the spear, anyway? It's so very last-century, you can't even moderate a discussion there without programming its user interface purely via e-mail to a bunch of old coots who may pay attention to you, or they may not. If we want enforcement of civility, we can set up a Web forum for that in about an hour. -- -------- Scott Eiler B{D -------- http://www.eilertech.com/ -------- "It seemed an unlikely spot for a sensitive songwriter from Greenwich Village... She ordered the 20-ounce steak." -- Lin Brehmer, Chicago DJ, describing his meeting in a steakhouse with Suzanne Vega. |
Thread Tools | |
Display Modes | |
|
|
Similar Threads | ||||
Thread | Thread Starter | Forum | Replies | Last Post |
Group Riding Dynamics | Roy Zipris | General | 7 | September 25th 03 02:39 AM |
Group ride questions | Ken | General | 4 | July 24th 03 01:05 AM |