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On 2018-01-19 16:35, AMuzi wrote:
On 1/19/2018 5:45 PM, Joerg wrote: On 2018-01-19 14:55, sms wrote: On 1/19/2018 8:24 AM, AMuzi wrote: https://cyclingindustry.news/knolly-...axle-standard/ Hell, I can remember way back when a guy could swap wheels between two different bicycles. I SPIT on the whole 1x movement. +1 I also spat on the 2x movement. My road bike has 2x (42/52) but because it is 35 years old and back then that's all you could get. I suffer on steep hills for that but as the drill sergeant always said, anything that doesn't instantly kill you makes you tough. ... There is no way to get the range that was possible with 2x or 3x, even with a 10-42, and the rear derailleur has to take up a huge amount of chain between the high and low cogs. I guess if the mountain bike is transported to the trail-head on a vehicle, and never ridden on-road, that you can get by without the high gears. Even regular 3x MTBs like mine tucker out at 28-30mph because the biggest ring is only 42T. On the last 4-5 miles home I sometimes wish it had 52T like my road bike. IOW 4x would be even better. Or coarse steps, that would be the optimum. That said, the front shifter on my mountain bike stopped going into high last Saturday, and I had to buy a replacement set of Deore shifters, $40 from REI. I opened up the old one but it was beyond my ability to fix it, so yesterday I changed the front shifter. Definitely can see the advantage of not having the extra complexity. But on the trail I was on, which was not steep except for a few short stretches, I wanted those high gears. Could have used the redneck shifter: A somewhat straight piece of a small branch with a 90 degree li'l branch (or a nail) sticking out the side. When a buddy's chain pretzeled and ripped off the front derailer that's how he shifted. It worked so well that he forgot to order a new derailer for a few months. Easy; not even expensive: http://www.abundantadventures.com/quads.html Unfortunately though, quote "All Mountain TamerTM adapters work with cranks having standard 74mm bolt circle (43.4mm hole spacing) 5 bolt pattern only". I could remove all the Shimano 600 stuff and mount other stuff. It won't be expensive to do either but so far I have tried to keep the old bike somewhat original. Some day I'll have to. While right now I can still muscle up the hills there is another more serious problem. I regularly break spokes. The last one went on Wednesday on the last 10mi home. So I'll soon be looking for a 700c 7-speed FH rear wheel with 12ga spokes, as many of them as possible. A tandem wheel would be best but their rims are too wide. The max tire width I can get in there is 25mm. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ |
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On 2018-01-19 16:20, sms wrote:
On 1/19/2018 3:45 PM, Joerg wrote: On 2018-01-19 14:55, sms wrote: On 1/19/2018 8:24 AM, AMuzi wrote: https://cyclingindustry.news/knolly-...axle-standard/ Hell, I can remember way back when a guy could swap wheels between two different bicycles. I SPIT on the whole 1x movement. +1 I also spat on the 2x movement. My road bike has 2x (42/52) but because it is 35 years old and back then that's all you could get. I suffer on steep hills for that but as the drill sergeant always said, anything that doesn't instantly kill you makes you tough. In my area, if you want to ride up into the Santa Cruz mountains and you're older than a millenial, it's really nice to have a triple on a road bike. In the early 1980's, triples weren't that common then around 1983 most of the road bikes sold around hear suddenly were coming with triples, like my Specialized Sirrus, which had a dual and a triple option, with the triple at an extra $100. Touring bikes of course had triples for a long time. Last year I did a benefit ride, which I normally avoid but my little group of troublemakers had a team, and those without a triple were suffering. I wonder why that is. Just our increasing weight? General weakening of whatever? My leg muscles are definitely larger and more powerful than in my 20's. However, while back then I could scale anything with 42/21 I now need 42/32. Trying to wean myself back to 42/28 though. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ |
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On 1/20/2018 9:27 AM, Joerg wrote:
On 2018-01-19 16:35, AMuzi wrote: On 1/19/2018 5:45 PM, Joerg wrote: On 2018-01-19 14:55, sms wrote: On 1/19/2018 8:24 AM, AMuzi wrote: https://cyclingindustry.news/knolly-...axle-standard/ Hell, I can remember way back when a guy could swap wheels between two different bicycles. I SPIT on the whole 1x movement. +1 I also spat on the 2x movement. My road bike has 2x (42/52) but because it is 35 years old and back then that's all you could get. I suffer on steep hills for that but as the drill sergeant always said, anything that doesn't instantly kill you makes you tough. ... There is no way to get the range that was possible with 2x or 3x, even with a 10-42, and the rear derailleur has to take up a huge amount of chain between the high and low cogs. I guess if the mountain bike is transported to the trail-head on a vehicle, and never ridden on-road, that you can get by without the high gears. Even regular 3x MTBs like mine tucker out at 28-30mph because the biggest ring is only 42T. On the last 4-5 miles home I sometimes wish it had 52T like my road bike. IOW 4x would be even better. Or coarse steps, that would be the optimum. That said, the front shifter on my mountain bike stopped going into high last Saturday, and I had to buy a replacement set of Deore shifters, $40 from REI. I opened up the old one but it was beyond my ability to fix it, so yesterday I changed the front shifter. Definitely can see the advantage of not having the extra complexity. But on the trail I was on, which was not steep except for a few short stretches, I wanted those high gears. Could have used the redneck shifter: A somewhat straight piece of a small branch with a 90 degree li'l branch (or a nail) sticking out the side. When a buddy's chain pretzeled and ripped off the front derailer that's how he shifted. It worked so well that he forgot to order a new derailer for a few months. Easy; not even expensive: http://www.abundantadventures.com/quads.html Unfortunately though, quote "All Mountain TamerTM adapters work with cranks having standard 74mm bolt circle (43.4mm hole spacing) 5 bolt pattern only". I could remove all the Shimano 600 stuff and mount other stuff. It won't be expensive to do either but so far I have tried to keep the old bike somewhat original. Some day I'll have to. While right now I can still muscle up the hills there is another more serious problem. I regularly break spokes. The last one went on Wednesday on the last 10mi home. So I'll soon be looking for a 700c 7-speed FH rear wheel with 12ga spokes, as many of them as possible. A tandem wheel would be best but their rims are too wide. The max tire width I can get in there is 25mm. Shimano 600 FC6207 triple is indeed 74mm on the small ring. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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On Friday, January 19, 2018 at 4:20:27 PM UTC-8, sms wrote:
On 1/19/2018 3:45 PM, Joerg wrote: On 2018-01-19 14:55, sms wrote: On 1/19/2018 8:24 AM, AMuzi wrote: https://cyclingindustry.news/knolly-...axle-standard/ Hell, I can remember way back when a guy could swap wheels between two different bicycles. I SPIT on the whole 1x movement. +1 I also spat on the 2x movement. My road bike has 2x (42/52) but because it is 35 years old and back then that's all you could get. I suffer on steep hills for that but as the drill sergeant always said, anything that doesn't instantly kill you makes you tough. In my area, if you want to ride up into the Santa Cruz mountains and you're older than a millenial, it's really nice to have a triple on a road bike. In the early 1980's, triples weren't that common then around 1983 most of the road bikes sold around hear suddenly were coming with triples, like my Specialized Sirrus, which had a dual and a triple option, with the triple at an extra $100. Touring bikes of course had triples for a long time. Last year I did a benefit ride, which I normally avoid but my little group of troublemakers had a team, and those without a triple were suffering. A compact will get you the same usable gears, more or less -- the less being wider steps to get you the same low gear. A 32t 11sp cassette with a 34t chainring nets a 28" gear. That's stock on my Norco Search. I never touch it except going up this one dirt trail where I lose traction (on road tires) before I run out of gears. -- Jay Beattie. |
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On 2018-01-20 07:53, AMuzi wrote:
On 1/20/2018 9:27 AM, Joerg wrote: On 2018-01-19 16:35, AMuzi wrote: On 1/19/2018 5:45 PM, Joerg wrote: On 2018-01-19 14:55, sms wrote: [...] That said, the front shifter on my mountain bike stopped going into high last Saturday, and I had to buy a replacement set of Deore shifters, $40 from REI. I opened up the old one but it was beyond my ability to fix it, so yesterday I changed the front shifter. Definitely can see the advantage of not having the extra complexity. But on the trail I was on, which was not steep except for a few short stretches, I wanted those high gears. Could have used the redneck shifter: A somewhat straight piece of a small branch with a 90 degree li'l branch (or a nail) sticking out the side. When a buddy's chain pretzeled and ripped off the front derailer that's how he shifted. It worked so well that he forgot to order a new derailer for a few months. Easy; not even expensive: http://www.abundantadventures.com/quads.html Unfortunately though, quote "All Mountain TamerTM adapters work with cranks having standard 74mm bolt circle (43.4mm hole spacing) 5 bolt pattern only". I could remove all the Shimano 600 stuff and mount other stuff. It won't be expensive to do either but so far I have tried to keep the old bike somewhat original. Some day I'll have to. While right now I can still muscle up the hills there is another more serious problem. I regularly break spokes. The last one went on Wednesday on the last 10mi home. So I'll soon be looking for a 700c 7-speed FH rear wheel with 12ga spokes, as many of them as possible. A tandem wheel would be best but their rims are too wide. The max tire width I can get in there is 25mm. Shimano 600 FC6207 triple is indeed 74mm on the small ring. My Shimano 600 double is 130mm by coarse measurement. The derailer would not take anymore anyhow, front and rear derailers would need to be replaced and then I might as well buy a whole new set. Which I might do some day as I get older or if I start tackling steeper terrain around here. So far I just walked up really steep parts because there is also a high chance of snapping a spoke. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ |
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On Saturday, January 20, 2018 at 11:39:36 AM UTC, lou.h...@xxxxxx wrote:
On Saturday, January 20, 2018 at 11:27:09 AM UTC+1, sms wrote: On 1/20/2018 12:31 AM, xxxxxx wrote: On Friday, January 19, 2018 at 5:24:15 PM UTC+1, AMuzi wrote: https://cyclingindustry.news/knolly-...axle-standard/ Hell, I can remember way back when a guy could swap wheels between two different bicycles. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 The last 5-10 years they lost me with their ATB's. Can't think ever buying a new ATB. I'll stick to my 26 inch wheeled Rohloff equipped ATB and ride my Cross bike more and more for off road riding. Bolshevik. You should have bought a 29er, then when you realized that 29 was too big bought a 27.5er. How will our capitalist economy function if yu don't think of buying more stuff? Imagine that I have unlimited funds for bike(stuff). The only requirement for me is that it has to make some kind of sense to me. Is that the case the price is irrelavant. Still ATB bike business managed in losing my interest.... Lou Not the money but the bloody time and effort to keep all the bits fitting together. I now ride one bike at a time, and the same one for the last ten years. Before I always had a list every December of bikes that I might like, and sometimes did order, including the one I still ride from a December ten years ago, but eventually it dawned on me that there were only two bikes left in the world that I would actually want -- note that I don't even pretend I would ride them often; I just wanted them for technical interest. Those two bikes were a Pedersen and a Scooterbike (though of course not in Scooterbike's slaphappy assembly -- I wanted one when Utopia still made a sorted version). For those of you who don't know, the Kranich version of the Scooterbike was a three-quarter recliner on fat tackies with a Rohloff gearbox; it really looked the business and someone who recently rode one said that was for sale second-hand said it was comfortable too. If anyone here doesn't know what the Pedersen was, he should be ashamed of himself. Andre Jute Maybe I'll find someone with a NOS Laverda for sale... |
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On 1/20/2018 10:17 AM, Joerg wrote:
On 2018-01-20 07:53, AMuzi wrote: On 1/20/2018 9:27 AM, Joerg wrote: On 2018-01-19 16:35, AMuzi wrote: On 1/19/2018 5:45 PM, Joerg wrote: On 2018-01-19 14:55, sms wrote: [...] That said, the front shifter on my mountain bike stopped going into high last Saturday, and I had to buy a replacement set of Deore shifters, $40 from REI. I opened up the old one but it was beyond my ability to fix it, so yesterday I changed the front shifter. Definitely can see the advantage of not having the extra complexity. But on the trail I was on, which was not steep except for a few short stretches, I wanted those high gears. Could have used the redneck shifter: A somewhat straight piece of a small branch with a 90 degree li'l branch (or a nail) sticking out the side. When a buddy's chain pretzeled and ripped off the front derailer that's how he shifted. It worked so well that he forgot to order a new derailer for a few months. Easy; not even expensive: http://www.abundantadventures.com/quads.html Unfortunately though, quote "All Mountain TamerTM adapters work with cranks having standard 74mm bolt circle (43.4mm hole spacing) 5 bolt pattern only". I could remove all the Shimano 600 stuff and mount other stuff. It won't be expensive to do either but so far I have tried to keep the old bike somewhat original. Some day I'll have to. While right now I can still muscle up the hills there is another more serious problem. I regularly break spokes. The last one went on Wednesday on the last 10mi home. So I'll soon be looking for a 700c 7-speed FH rear wheel with 12ga spokes, as many of them as possible. A tandem wheel would be best but their rims are too wide. The max tire width I can get in there is 25mm. Shimano 600 FC6207 triple is indeed 74mm on the small ring. My Shimano 600 double is 130mm by coarse measurement. The derailer would not take anymore anyhow, front and rear derailers would need to be replaced and then I might as well buy a whole new set. Which I might do some day as I get older or if I start tackling steeper terrain around here. So far I just walked up really steep parts because there is also a high chance of snapping a spoke. Oh a road bike. A horse of a different color as it were. I think I misunderstood your comment yesterday, "Even regular 3x MTBs like mine tucker out at 28-30mph " as referring to an MTB. Silly me. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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Lou going to combo ?
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On 2018-01-20 09:14, AMuzi wrote:
On 1/20/2018 10:17 AM, Joerg wrote: On 2018-01-20 07:53, AMuzi wrote: On 1/20/2018 9:27 AM, Joerg wrote: On 2018-01-19 16:35, AMuzi wrote: On 1/19/2018 5:45 PM, Joerg wrote: On 2018-01-19 14:55, sms wrote: [...] That said, the front shifter on my mountain bike stopped going into high last Saturday, and I had to buy a replacement set of Deore shifters, $40 from REI. I opened up the old one but it was beyond my ability to fix it, so yesterday I changed the front shifter. Definitely can see the advantage of not having the extra complexity. But on the trail I was on, which was not steep except for a few short stretches, I wanted those high gears. Could have used the redneck shifter: A somewhat straight piece of a small branch with a 90 degree li'l branch (or a nail) sticking out the side. When a buddy's chain pretzeled and ripped off the front derailer that's how he shifted. It worked so well that he forgot to order a new derailer for a few months. Easy; not even expensive: http://www.abundantadventures.com/quads.html Unfortunately though, quote "All Mountain TamerTM adapters work with cranks having standard 74mm bolt circle (43.4mm hole spacing) 5 bolt pattern only". I could remove all the Shimano 600 stuff and mount other stuff. It won't be expensive to do either but so far I have tried to keep the old bike somewhat original. Some day I'll have to. While right now I can still muscle up the hills there is another more serious problem. I regularly break spokes. The last one went on Wednesday on the last 10mi home. So I'll soon be looking for a 700c 7-speed FH rear wheel with 12ga spokes, as many of them as possible. A tandem wheel would be best but their rims are too wide. The max tire width I can get in there is 25mm. Shimano 600 FC6207 triple is indeed 74mm on the small ring. My Shimano 600 double is 130mm by coarse measurement. The derailer would not take anymore anyhow, front and rear derailers would need to be replaced and then I might as well buy a whole new set. Which I might do some day as I get older or if I start tackling steeper terrain around here. So far I just walked up really steep parts because there is also a high chance of snapping a spoke. Oh a road bike. A horse of a different color as it were. I think I misunderstood your comment yesterday, "Even regular 3x MTBs like mine tucker out at 28-30mph " as referring to an MTB. Silly me. That was in a different context. I meant that a smaller chain ring up front (especially if there is only one) seriously crimps the usefulness of a bike for longhaul routes. On my MTB and pretty much all others the granularity up front is too fine, 24-32-42 or so. Beats me why they don't provide 24-36-50. For riding up a steep roof and such my MTB is well equipped. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ |
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