STOLEN: Panasonic Commuting/Touring bike

[Bob McCutcheon]

STOLEN: PANASONIC COMMUTING/TOURING BIKE
-----------------------------------------

After 21 years of living in the same Takoma Park
bungalow, I regret to report that I have experienced
my first burglary -- a burglary that targeted just
one item: the Panasonic Pro-Touring road bicycle that
I use for daily, year-round commuting. I will be
extremely grateful for any information that may lead
to the recovery of this bike, which was stolen from
my home sometime between 9pm on Saturday, 12/6, and 3pm
on Sunday, 12/7 -- with suspicion obviously falling on
the middle of the night. The thieves stole the bike
from our garden shed and lifted it across our rear fence.
From there the tire tracks lead to the street and
disappear -- most likely into a truck.

I suspect this was a well-planned theft, as nothing other
than the bike was taken. Someone obviously knew what he/she
was looking for.

The description follows below. Please send any
information to:

Bob McCutcheon
H: (301) 587-0776

W: (240) 568-5111


Again, I will be most thankful for any help.

BTW, this bike originally came to me from Steve Ciccarelli
of tandem and Cyberider fame.

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BIKE: PANASONIC PRO-TOURING, ~1987 vintage,
18/19 inch frame, Tange-2 CrMo

COLOR: slate grey

EQUIPPED AS FOLLOWS:

o Dropped handlebars; old-fashioned, non-aero brake
levers; rear view bar-end mirror on the left side
o Brooks saddle
o Cantilever brakes
o Non-indexed down-tube shifters
o Campagnolo triple chainrings, cranks, and sealed
bottom bracket
o Platform pedals with clips
o Three water bottle cages (one of them in use for
Cateye Stadium lamp battery)
o Wheels --
o front: Sun CR-18, 36-spoke, Phil Wood hub
o rear: new 36-spoke no-name with 8-speed free-
hub (fortunately, I had just removed my
good 40-spoke wheel with Phil Wood hub
the previous day)
o Panaracer Pasela 700x35 tires front and rear
o front and rear fenders, matte silver/chrome
finish
o Racks --
o rear: Nitto rack with Rivendell (Baggins)
canvas panniers
o front: Blackburn rack **and** Blackburn low-
rider with one red Ortlieb front-roller
bag and an unwired motorcycle horn
o More lights than most three other bikes combined:
o front: 1) Cateye Stadium lamp
2) 6-volt Niterider
o rear: 1) ~12-inch diameter yellow flasher
similar to those found on highway
barricades (i.e., an Ed Kearney
light system from the 1970s)
2) 2 flashing red strobes
3) ~3-inch diameter red and yellow
reflectors

There is a photo available at the following link:

http://users.rcn.com/delimadantas/stolen%20bike/stolen_panasonic_1.jpg

[Lewis Campbell]

I'm sorry to hear about your bike.

Might I suggest that you include the area where you live?

--
Lewis.

..........................

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"Bob McCutcheon" > wrote in message
...
> STOLEN: PANASONIC COMMUTING/TOURING BIKE
> -----------------------------------------
>
> After 21 years of living in the same Takoma Park
> bungalow, I regret to report that I have experienced
> my first burglary -- a burglary that targeted just
> one item: the Panasonic Pro-Touring road bicycle that
> I use for daily, year-round commuting. I will be
> extremely grateful for any information that may lead
> to the recovery of this bike, which was stolen from
> my home sometime between 9pm on Saturday, 12/6, and 3pm
> on Sunday, 12/7 -- with suspicion obviously falling on
> the middle of the night. The thieves stole the bike
> from our garden shed and lifted it across our rear fence.
> From there the tire tracks lead to the street and
> disappear -- most likely into a truck.
>
> I suspect this was a well-planned theft, as nothing other
> than the bike was taken. Someone obviously knew what he/she
> was looking for.
>
> The description follows below. Please send any
> information to:
>
> Bob McCutcheon
> H: (301) 587-0776
>
> W: (240) 568-5111
>
>
> Again, I will be most thankful for any help.
>
> BTW, this bike originally came to me from Steve Ciccarelli
> of tandem and Cyberider fame.
>
> = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
>
> BIKE: PANASONIC PRO-TOURING, ~1987 vintage,
> 18/19 inch frame, Tange-2 CrMo
>
> COLOR: slate grey
>
> EQUIPPED AS FOLLOWS:
>
> o Dropped handlebars; old-fashioned, non-aero brake
> levers; rear view bar-end mirror on the left side
> o Brooks saddle
> o Cantilever brakes
> o Non-indexed down-tube shifters
> o Campagnolo triple chainrings, cranks, and sealed
> bottom bracket
> o Platform pedals with clips
> o Three water bottle cages (one of them in use for
> Cateye Stadium lamp battery)
> o Wheels --
> o front: Sun CR-18, 36-spoke, Phil Wood hub
> o rear: new 36-spoke no-name with 8-speed free-
> hub (fortunately, I had just removed my
> good 40-spoke wheel with Phil Wood hub
> the previous day)
> o Panaracer Pasela 700x35 tires front and rear
> o front and rear fenders, matte silver/chrome
> finish
> o Racks --
> o rear: Nitto rack with Rivendell (Baggins)
> canvas panniers
> o front: Blackburn rack **and** Blackburn low-
> rider with one red Ortlieb front-roller
> bag and an unwired motorcycle horn
> o More lights than most three other bikes combined:
> o front: 1) Cateye Stadium lamp
> 2) 6-volt Niterider
> o rear: 1) ~12-inch diameter yellow flasher
> similar to those found on highway
> barricades (i.e., an Ed Kearney
> light system from the 1970s)
> 2) 2 flashing red strobes
> 3) ~3-inch diameter red and yellow
> reflectors
>
> There is a photo available at the following link:
>
> http://users.rcn.com/delimadantas/stolen%20bike/stolen_panasonic_1.jpg
>
>

[Bob McCutcheon]

Lewis -- Sorry 'bout that. The area is Takoma Park, MD, just outside the DC
line. -- Bob Mc

Lewis Campbell wrote:

> I'm sorry to hear about your bike.
>
> Might I suggest that you include the area where you live?
>
> --
> Lewis.
>
> .........................
>
> *******************************
>
> "Bob McCutcheon" > wrote in message
> ...
> > STOLEN: PANASONIC COMMUTING/TOURING BIKE
> > -----------------------------------------
> >
> > After 21 years of living in the same Takoma Park
> > bungalow, I regret to report that I have experienced
> > my first burglary -- a burglary that targeted just
> > one item: the Panasonic Pro-Touring road bicycle that
> > I use for daily, year-round commuting. I will be
> > extremely grateful for any information that may lead
> > to the recovery of this bike, which was stolen from
> > my home sometime between 9pm on Saturday, 12/6, and 3pm
> > on Sunday, 12/7 -- with suspicion obviously falling on
> > the middle of the night. The thieves stole the bike
> > from our garden shed and lifted it across our rear fence.
> > From there the tire tracks lead to the street and
> > disappear -- most likely into a truck.
> >
> > I suspect this was a well-planned theft, as nothing other
> > than the bike was taken. Someone obviously knew what he/she
> > was looking for.
> >
> > The description follows below. Please send any
> > information to:
> >
> > Bob McCutcheon
> > H: (301) 587-0776
> >
> > W: (240) 568-5111
> >
> >
> > Again, I will be most thankful for any help.
> >
> > BTW, this bike originally came to me from Steve Ciccarelli
> > of tandem and Cyberider fame.
> >
> > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
> >
> > BIKE: PANASONIC PRO-TOURING, ~1987 vintage,
> > 18/19 inch frame, Tange-2 CrMo
> >
> > COLOR: slate grey
> >
> > EQUIPPED AS FOLLOWS:
> >
> > o Dropped handlebars; old-fashioned, non-aero brake
> > levers; rear view bar-end mirror on the left side
> > o Brooks saddle
> > o Cantilever brakes
> > o Non-indexed down-tube shifters
> > o Campagnolo triple chainrings, cranks, and sealed
> > bottom bracket
> > o Platform pedals with clips
> > o Three water bottle cages (one of them in use for
> > Cateye Stadium lamp battery)
> > o Wheels --
> > o front: Sun CR-18, 36-spoke, Phil Wood hub
> > o rear: new 36-spoke no-name with 8-speed free-
> > hub (fortunately, I had just removed my
> > good 40-spoke wheel with Phil Wood hub
> > the previous day)
> > o Panaracer Pasela 700x35 tires front and rear
> > o front and rear fenders, matte silver/chrome
> > finish
> > o Racks --
> > o rear: Nitto rack with Rivendell (Baggins)
> > canvas panniers
> > o front: Blackburn rack **and** Blackburn low-
> > rider with one red Ortlieb front-roller
> > bag and an unwired motorcycle horn
> > o More lights than most three other bikes combined:
> > o front: 1) Cateye Stadium lamp
> > 2) 6-volt Niterider
> > o rear: 1) ~12-inch diameter yellow flasher
> > similar to those found on highway
> > barricades (i.e., an Ed Kearney
> > light system from the 1970s)
> > 2) 2 flashing red strobes
> > 3) ~3-inch diameter red and yellow
> > reflectors
> >
> > There is a photo available at the following link:
> >
> > http://users.rcn.com/delimadantas/stolen%20bike/stolen_panasonic_1.jpg
> >
> >

[Matthew]

"Bob McCutcheon" > wrote in message
...
> STOLEN: PANASONIC COMMUTING/TOURING BIKE
> -----------------------------------------
>
Can I assume you have already contacted the local police and your insurance
provider?

[R.White]

Bob McCutcheon > wrote in message >...
> STOLEN: PANASONIC COMMUTING/TOURING BIKE
> -----------------------------------------
>
> After 21 years of living in the same Takoma Park
> bungalow, I regret to report that I have experienced
> my first burglary -- a burglary that targeted just
> one item: the Panasonic Pro-Touring road bicycle that
> I use for daily, year-round commuting. I will be
> extremely grateful for any information that may lead
> to the recovery of this bike, which was stolen from
> my home sometime between 9pm on Saturday, 12/6, and 3pm
> on Sunday, 12/7 -- with suspicion obviously falling on
> the middle of the night. The thieves stole the bike
> from our garden shed and lifted it across our rear fence.
> From there the tire tracks lead to the street and
> disappear -- most likely into a truck.
>
> I suspect this was a well-planned theft, as nothing other
> than the bike was taken. Someone obviously knew what he/she
> was looking for.

Sounds like someone you probably know or have met.

I lived in Memphis, Tn. and a neighbor in my apt. complex
had a shipmate over one day (he's in the Navy). A few nights
later I observe this car driving very slow through the parking
lot and it stops right at this guys truck. A man gets out,
climbs in to the truck bed and breaks the sliding rear window.
He's half-in half-out of the truck when I open my apt. door and
start to run down 3 flights of stairs to catch him. He flees, jumps
back into the awaiting car and they speed off. I go get my neighbor
and tell him someone broke into his truck. I tell him I think it
was the same guy he had over his apt. a few days earlier. He says
there is no way his friend would do such a thing. He was wrong.
It was the same "friend".




>
> The description follows below. Please send any
> information to:
>
> Bob McCutcheon
> H: (301) 587-0776
>
> W: (240) 568-5111
>
>
> Again, I will be most thankful for any help.
>
> BTW, this bike originally came to me from Steve Ciccarelli
> of tandem and Cyberider fame.
>
> = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
>
> BIKE: PANASONIC PRO-TOURING, ~1987 vintage,
> 18/19 inch frame, Tange-2 CrMo
>
> COLOR: slate grey
>
> EQUIPPED AS FOLLOWS:
>
> o Dropped handlebars; old-fashioned, non-aero brake
> levers; rear view bar-end mirror on the left side
> o Brooks saddle
> o Cantilever brakes
> o Non-indexed down-tube shifters
> o Campagnolo triple chainrings, cranks, and sealed
> bottom bracket
> o Platform pedals with clips
> o Three water bottle cages (one of them in use for
> Cateye Stadium lamp battery)
> o Wheels --
> o front: Sun CR-18, 36-spoke, Phil Wood hub
> o rear: new 36-spoke no-name with 8-speed free-
> hub (fortunately, I had just removed my
> good 40-spoke wheel with Phil Wood hub
> the previous day)
> o Panaracer Pasela 700x35 tires front and rear
> o front and rear fenders, matte silver/chrome
> finish
> o Racks --
> o rear: Nitto rack with Rivendell (Baggins)
> canvas panniers
> o front: Blackburn rack **and** Blackburn low-
> rider with one red Ortlieb front-roller
> bag and an unwired motorcycle horn
> o More lights than most three other bikes combined:
> o front: 1) Cateye Stadium lamp
> 2) 6-volt Niterider
> o rear: 1) ~12-inch diameter yellow flasher
> similar to those found on highway
> barricades (i.e., an Ed Kearney
> light system from the 1970s)
> 2) 2 flashing red strobes
> 3) ~3-inch diameter red and yellow
> reflectors
>
> There is a photo available at the following link:
>
> http://users.rcn.com/delimadantas/stolen%20bike/stolen_panasonic_1.jpg

[Bob McCutcheon]

Matthew -- Yes on both counts. The good news is that my insurance will cover
the replacement cost. The bad news, of course, is that it will take a good
deal of my time to equip any replacement in the same manner as the stolen
bike. -- Bob Mc

Matthew wrote:

> "Bob McCutcheon" > wrote in message
> ...
> > STOLEN: PANASONIC COMMUTING/TOURING BIKE
> > -----------------------------------------
> >
> Can I assume you have already contacted the local police and your insurance
> provider?

[Bob McCutcheon]

Matthew -- Yes on both counts. The good news is that my insurance will cover
the replacement cost. The bad news, of course, is that it will take a good
deal of my time to equip any replacement in the same manner as the stolen bike.
-- Bob Mc

Matthew wrote:

> "Bob McCutcheon" > wrote in message
> ...
> > STOLEN: PANASONIC COMMUTING/TOURING BIKE
> > -----------------------------------------
> >
> Can I assume you have already contacted the local police and your insurance
> provider?

[Bob McCutcheon]

Matthew -- Yes on both counts. The good news is that my insurance will cover
the replacement cost. The bad news, of course, is that it will take a good
deal of my time to equip any replacement in the same manner as the stolen bike.
-- Bob Mc

Matthew wrote:

> "Bob McCutcheon" > wrote in message
> ...
> > STOLEN: PANASONIC COMMUTING/TOURING BIKE
> > -----------------------------------------
> >
> Can I assume you have already contacted the local police and your insurance
> provider?

[KBH]

Somehow I doubt that anyone who would appreciate that bike, or the care with
which you assembled its components, would be inclined to steal it. It was
probably just too easy and too visible a target for the local stolen bike
operation to ignore. Since this occured during the snow storm, they were
probably out on the prowl, figuring that law enforcement would be
pre-occupied with other things, and that the cover and confusion of this
much snow would make their getaway that much easier...

I've read that most stolen bikes end up in Mexico, or perhaps China or
southeast Asia.

I hope you get it back of course...



"Bob McCutcheon" > wrote in message
...
> STOLEN: PANASONIC COMMUTING/TOURING BIKE
> -----------------------------------------
>
> After 21 years of living in the same Takoma Park
> bungalow, I regret to report that I have experienced
> my first burglary -- a burglary that targeted just
> one item: the Panasonic Pro-Touring road bicycle that
> I use for daily, year-round commuting. I will be
> extremely grateful for any information that may lead
> to the recovery of this bike, which was stolen from
> my home sometime between 9pm on Saturday, 12/6, and 3pm
> on Sunday, 12/7 -- with suspicion obviously falling on
> the middle of the night. The thieves stole the bike
> from our garden shed and lifted it across our rear fence.
> From there the tire tracks lead to the street and
> disappear -- most likely into a truck.
>
> I suspect this was a well-planned theft, as nothing other
> than the bike was taken. Someone obviously knew what he/she
> was looking for.
>
> The description follows below. Please send any
> information to:
>
> Bob McCutcheon
> H: (301) 587-0776
>
> W: (240) 568-5111
>
>
> Again, I will be most thankful for any help.
>
> BTW, this bike originally came to me from Steve Ciccarelli
> of tandem and Cyberider fame.
>
> = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
>
> BIKE: PANASONIC PRO-TOURING, ~1987 vintage,
> 18/19 inch frame, Tange-2 CrMo
>
> COLOR: slate grey
>
> EQUIPPED AS FOLLOWS:
>
> o Dropped handlebars; old-fashioned, non-aero brake
> levers; rear view bar-end mirror on the left side
> o Brooks saddle
> o Cantilever brakes
> o Non-indexed down-tube shifters
> o Campagnolo triple chainrings, cranks, and sealed
> bottom bracket
> o Platform pedals with clips
> o Three water bottle cages (one of them in use for
> Cateye Stadium lamp battery)
> o Wheels --
> o front: Sun CR-18, 36-spoke, Phil Wood hub
> o rear: new 36-spoke no-name with 8-speed free-
> hub (fortunately, I had just removed my
> good 40-spoke wheel with Phil Wood hub
> the previous day)
> o Panaracer Pasela 700x35 tires front and rear
> o front and rear fenders, matte silver/chrome
> finish
> o Racks --
> o rear: Nitto rack with Rivendell (Baggins)
> canvas panniers
> o front: Blackburn rack **and** Blackburn low-
> rider with one red Ortlieb front-roller
> bag and an unwired motorcycle horn
> o More lights than most three other bikes combined:
> o front: 1) Cateye Stadium lamp
> 2) 6-volt Niterider
> o rear: 1) ~12-inch diameter yellow flasher
> similar to those found on highway
> barricades (i.e., an Ed Kearney
> light system from the 1970s)
> 2) 2 flashing red strobes
> 3) ~3-inch diameter red and yellow
> reflectors
>
> There is a photo available at the following link:
>
> http://users.rcn.com/delimadantas/stolen%20bike/stolen_panasonic_1.jpg
>
>

[Carl Fogel]

Bob McCutcheon > wrote in message >...

[snip]

Dear Bob,

You might have better luck if you mention
where Takoma Park is. Not everyone will
enlarge your picture to see what state
is mentioned on your license plate.

"The chief of police of a Southern city
once gave me a description of a man, complete
even to the mole on his neck, but neglected
to mention that he had only one arm."

--From the Memoirs of a Private Detective
by Dashiell Hammett

Sorry that your bike's gone.

Carl Fogel

[Callistus Valerius]

He says
> there is no way his friend would do such a thing. He was wrong.
> It was the same "friend".

I agree, it's most likely a friend or co-worker.

[anonymous]

In article <o42Bb.335640$9E1.1643786@attbi_s52>,
"KBH" > wrote:

> http://users.rcn.com/delimadantas/stolen%20bike/stolen_panasonic_1.jpg

you may want to check the local trashcans...

[Gary Smiley]

They should do to bicycle thieves what they used to do to horse thieves
and cattle rustlers.

[A Muzi]

Gary Smiley wrote:
> They should do to bicycle thieves what they used to do to horse thieves
> and cattle rustlers.

Do you mean 'hang the wrong guy occasionally'?

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

[Bill Z.]

A Muzi > writes:

> Gary Smiley wrote:
> > They should do to bicycle thieves what they used to do to horse thieves
> > and cattle rustlers.
>
> Do you mean 'hang the wrong guy occasionally'?

Or you could follow the custom not too long before that time, when
hung, drawn, and quartered was not just a figure of speach.

I don't think they particularly cared if they got the right guy
either, as long as there was an example to keep the peons in line.

Sort of like Guantanamo Bay under the Talibush, I would imagine ...

Bill

--
My real name backwards: nemuaZ lliB

[Gary Smiley]

Good point. Ever see the movie "The Ox-Bow Incident"?

A Muzi wrote:

> Gary Smiley wrote:
> > They should do to bicycle thieves what they used to do to horse thieves
> > and cattle rustlers.
>
> Do you mean 'hang the wrong guy occasionally'?
>
> --
> Andrew Muzi
> www.yellowjersey.org
> Open every day since 1 April, 1971

[WTF,O]

(snip)


> hung, drawn, and quartered was not just a figure of speach.
>

Save the rope. Just go with the drawing and quartering.


(snip snide junk)

[David Reuteler]

In rec.bicycles.tech WTF,O > wrote:
: Save the rope. Just go with the drawing and quartering.

wouldn't it take more rope to draw and quarter? that's where you attach
each limb to a horse and pull the hapless victim apart, correct? did the
english pull out the intestines before or after drawing and quartering?
endless possibilities here.
--
david reuteler

[Matt O'Toole]

"Bill Z." > wrote in message
...

> A Muzi > writes:
>
> > Gary Smiley wrote:
> > > They should do to bicycle thieves what they used to do to horse thieves
> > > and cattle rustlers.
> >
> > Do you mean 'hang the wrong guy occasionally'?
>
> Or you could follow the custom not too long before that time, when
> hung, drawn, and quartered was not just a figure of speach.

I rarely entertain thoughts of revenge. It's enough for me to think about how
pathetic this guy's life is, going around breaking into people's houses and
stealing stuff.

Matt O.

[Gary Smiley]

Somebody should catch the guy and make his life even more pathetic.

Matt O'Toole wrote:

> I rarely entertain thoughts of revenge. It's enough for me to think about how
> pathetic this guy's life is, going around breaking into people's houses and
> stealing stuff.
>
> Matt O.

[A Muzi]

>>Gary Smiley wrote:
>>>They should do to bicycle thieves what they used to do to horse thieves
>>>and cattle rustlers.

(am)>>Do you mean 'hang the wrong guy occasionally'?

Gary Smiley wrote:
> Good point. Ever see the movie "The Ox-Bow Incident"?


Yes, in fact I was thinking of it when I wrote that!

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

[Richard Adams]

A Muzi wrote:

>>> Gary Smiley wrote:
>>>
>>>> They should do to bicycle thieves what they used to do to horse thieves
>>>> and cattle rustlers.
>
>
> (am)>>Do you mean 'hang the wrong guy occasionally'?
>
> Gary Smiley wrote:
> > Good point. Ever see the movie "The Ox-Bow Incident"?
>
>
> Yes, in fact I was thinking of it when I wrote that!
>

Nowadays I think they just put the varmints into the big house. Big
White house at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave, that is.

[Q.]

<snip>
> I don't think they particularly cared if they got the right guy
> either, as long as there was an example to keep the peons in line.

And that changed when?

C.Q.C.

[Mitch Haley]

"Q." wrote:
>
> <snip>
> > I don't think they particularly cared if they got the right guy
> > either, as long as there was an example to keep the peons in line.
>
> And that changed when?

Reminds me of my county prostituting attorney. He spoke out against
an "innocence project" that uses DNA evidence to prove the convict's
innocence. He wants the law changed so that innocence is no reason to
have your conviction overturned. His stated reason: "for the victim's
families". Yea, right, it really helps the victim's families when the
criminal that terrorized them remains free while some patsy sits in jail.
I think the real reason is this asshole would rather have an innocent
citizen in jail than face the embarrassment of public knowledge that
he got the wrong guy.
Mitch.

[B.C. Cletta]

> A Muzi wrote:
>
> > Gary Smiley wrote:
> > > They should do to bicycle thieves what they used to do to horse thieves
> > > and cattle rustlers.
> >
> > Do you mean 'hang the wrong guy occasionally'?

Gary Smiley > wrote in message >...
> Good point. Ever see the movie "The Ox-Bow Incident"?

or "Hang 'em High"?

[Gary Smiley]

"Hang 'em High" was good, but the "The Ox-Bow Incident" had me wringing out my handkerchief.
But it was made a generation earlier.

"B.C. Cletta" wrote:

> > A Muzi wrote:
> >
> > > Gary Smiley wrote:
> > > > They should do to bicycle thieves what they used to do to horse thieves
> > > > and cattle rustlers.
> > >
> > > Do you mean 'hang the wrong guy occasionally'?
>
> Gary Smiley > wrote in message >...
> > Good point. Ever see the movie "The Ox-Bow Incident"?
>
> or "Hang 'em High"?

[B.C. Cletta]

> After 21 years of living in the same Takoma Park
> bungalow, I regret to report that I have experienced
> my first burglary -- a burglary that targeted just
> one item: the Panasonic Pro-Touring road bicycle that

was it locked? i know 10 people that had bikes stolen from gargages &
such for every one stolen in use (typ bike rack).
from an old gardening magazine to secure power tools: embed a length
of chain in a bucket of concrete. i figure the ubiquitous five gallon
bucket (19-l) w/ concrete will weight about 100-lbs (45-kgm).

[Robert L. Bass]

> Sort of like Guantanamo Bay under
> the Talibush, I would imagine ...

Heh, heh, heh. :^)